Volvo V60 transmission judder from 1st to 2nd

[TominoCa]

Hello everyone, just thought I will check here if it's normal behaviour or I'm heading into some kind of problem. Simply put when I accelerate and gear goes from 1st to 2nd there is little kick/judder and when I look on RPM in the moment it change to 2nd there is slight drop in rpm and then it goes back up. You would expect after gear change it obviously drops and then goes steadily up but there is not even second where it just bounce down tiny bit and then back up but you can certainly feel it. There is no delays or anything also other gears are fine. Tried in manual mode and it doesn't seems to be there and also when I floor it nothing like this happens. Its my first automatic car so I thought I ask here if anybody experienced something similar before I start panicking. It's 2019 V60 model with 108k miles on clock. Thanks

[Miroslav]

Hi
What about oil in gearbox, has it ever been changed?

[TominoCa]

No it hasn't. I know what volvo says and whats gearbox manufacturer recommendation is but I've been told by several garages that because car has higher mileage it can cause more problems and im not sure if i should take the risk. Other than that first to second gear it doesn't have any issues and i dont understand why when it goes into second it starts on cca 1600 rpm drop slightly to like 1400 and then it goes back up and change smooth to 3rd gear. It might be not a problem at all maybe thats how it is and im just too gentle on pedal because it doesn't do when i accelerate significantly faster

[Kev0607]

There should be no shudder.

108,000 miles isn't high... it may be high for a 2019 car, but that means its done motorway mileage mainly. What they mean (I think) is if you flush the transmission it could cause problems. By flushing, I mean putting additives in the fluid and using a pressurised machine that some gearbox places have...

Don't do that. Just simply drain the transmission fluid and fill it up again, like an oil change so to speak. No need for any chemicals.

I think they're just fobbing you off because they can't be bothered. Let's face facts, if there's a big problem with the transmission, no fluid change will solve it. Its highly unlikely that simply changing the fluid is going to catastrophically destroy it either. There's plenty of people changing fluid on here with high miles... they just drain and fill the transmission. No issues.

[TominoCa]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

There should be no shudder.

108,000 miles isn't high... it may be high for a 2019 car, but that means its done motorway mileage mainly. What they mean (I think) is if you flush the transmission it could cause problems. By flushing, I mean putting additives in the fluid and using a pressurised machine that some gearbox places have...

Don't do that. Just simply drain the transmission fluid and fill it up again, like an oil change so to speak. No need for any chemicals.

I think they're just fobbing you off because they can't be bothered. Let's face facts, if there's a big problem with the transmission, no fluid change will solve it. Its highly unlikely that simply changing the fluid is going to catastrophically destroy it either. There's plenty of people changing fluid on here with high miles... they just drain and fill the transmission. No issues.

Right so I think I will start there and try find someone who can do oil change and not just push me away. Possibly try convince dealership that this little problem is due to bad quality of oil.

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by TominoCa

Right so I think I will start there and try find someone who can do oil change and not just push me away. Possibly try convince dealership that this little problem is due to bad quality of oil.

Well, you may find yourself in a pickle there. Volvo don't actually offer transmission servicing as part of their service schedule, as they claim the transmission is "sealed for life". Of course, that's a load of rubbish... all fluids need to be changed at some point. You may struggle to find a dealership that will actually do a transmission service for you. Some do it, but there's not many that I know of around the North West.

Your best bet is going to an independent Volvo specialist. It'll be cheaper than a dealership, but independents have the equipment to work on these cars and know the correct fluid that should be used. If you're prepared to travel, there's some good independents in Manchester, which isn't that far from you based on your location. I'm not familiar with your area, so I'm not sure if there's any nearer to you.

Hallmark Volvo in Stockport or Trevor Burgess in Hyde. Both are independent Volvo specialists and are open Monday-Friday. Google those names to get the contact info, if you don't mind travelling.

[Clan]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

Well, you may find yourself in a pickle there. Volvo don't actually offer transmission servicing as part of their service schedule, as they claim the transmission is "sealed for life". Of course, that's a load of rubbish... all fluids need to be changed at some point. You may struggle to find a dealership that will actually do a transmission service for you. Some do it, but there's not many that I know of around the North West.

Your best bet is going to an independent Volvo specialist. It'll be cheaper than a dealership, but independents have the equipment to work on these cars and know the correct fluid that should be used. If you're prepared to travel, there's some good independents in Manchester, which isn't that far from you based on your location. I'm not familiar with your area, so I'm not sure if there's any nearer to you.

Hallmark Volvo in Stockport or Trevor Burgess in Hyde. Both are independent Volvo specialists and are open Monday-Friday. Google those names to get the contact info, if you don't mind travelling.

I'm afraid that statement is completely untrue.
There is a service schedule and it is every 36000 miles ( every other service) IF the car is used for taxi or other arduous work . Volvo have never said the Auto gearbox is sealed for life. Only garages who cant be bothered say that.

If it were my car I would change the Gearbox oil every 72000 miles..

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by Clan

I'm afraid that statement is completely untrue.
There is a service schedule and it is every 36000 miles ( every other service) IF the car is used for taxi or other arduous work . Volvo have never said the Auto gearbox is sealed for life. Only garages who cant be bothered say that.

If it were my car I would change the Gearbox oil every 72000 miles..

Its a very vague schedule, pretty much non existent. Like you say, it only applies if the vehicle is used as a taxi or for other arduous purposes, like towing for example. So if its not used as a taxi or never tows, the schedule doesn't apply (in their eyes). So effectively, there's no schedule for a vehicle that isn't a taxi or doesn't have a trailer behind it.

Its not exactly a schedule is it? Half a schedule maybe, if you can find a dealership that will change the fluid that is...

I have phoned my local Lookers Volvo personally and they have told me they don't do transmission servicing. They never asked if it was a taxi, if I towed with it... "Sorry sir, we don't do that here... the transmission is sealed for life and you don't need to bother changing the fluid" was the answer I got...Go figure.

I never tow with my car, its not a taxi... that doesn't mean I'll listen to Volvo and never change the transmission fluid because they advise it only needs to be changed if its a taxi (as per the owner's manual). It doesn't say in the owner's manual that the fluid should be changed as preventative maintenance, regardless of what the car is used for... that's a big mistake on Volvo's part, but other manufacturer's do the same.

You should change the oil in your car. You should change the other fluids in your car like coolant and brake fluid. The transmission fluid is no different, it should be changed... the only difference is you don't need to do it as often as oil changes.

The transmission has a fill port and a drain port... that means it can be serviced, and, it should be serviced. Transmission fluid is cheap in the scale of things, a whole new transmission or even a used one isn't. I know what I'd rather do.

[MikeGMT]

Originally Posted by TominoCa

Hello everyone, just thought I will check here if it's normal behaviour or I'm heading into some kind of problem. Simply put when I accelerate and gear goes from 1st to 2nd there is little kick/judder and when I look on RPM in the moment it change to 2nd there is slight drop in rpm and then it goes back up. You would expect after gear change it obviously drops and then goes steadily up but there is not even second where it just bounce down tiny bit and then back up but you can certainly feel it. There is no delays or anything also other gears are fine. Tried in manual mode and it doesn't seems to be there and also when I floor it nothing like this happens. Its my first automatic car so I thought I ask here if anybody experienced something similar before I start panicking. It's 2019 V60 model with 108k miles on clock. Thanks

I don't know the history of the vehicle, but has it been serviced in the dealer network recently? Since 2019 there have been numerous transmission and drivetrain optimisations. If it has been serviced at 'indies' these will not have been done unless they have access to Vida. Often after having my car serviced and the software updated there is quite a noticable difference. Maybe a good place to start if the car software isn't up to date.

[TominoCa]

Originally Posted by MikeGMT

I don't know the history of the vehicle, but has it been serviced in the dealer network recently? Since 2019 there have been numerous transmission and drivetrain optimisations. If it has been serviced at 'indies' these will not have been done unless they have access to Vida. Often after having my car serviced and the software updated there is quite a noticable difference. Maybe a good place to start if the car software isn't up to date.

It has a history in Clive Brook and Ray Chapman Motors. Im not entirely sure how these updates work to be honest if it's automatic thing they do or you need to pay extra for it but it doesn't state anything on sheet with all jobs carried out. There is just major things nothing about software update. If I look in a car and check software updates it does say I'm up to date if that's a same thing?