Volvo Community Forum. The Forums of the Volvo Owners Club

Forum Rules Volvo Owners Club About VOC Volvo Gallery Links Volvo History Volvo Press
Go Back   Volvo Owners Club Forum > "Technical Topics" > 200 Series General
Register Members Cars Help Calendar Extra Stuff

Notices

200 Series General Forum for the Volvo 240 and 260 cars

Information
  • VOC Members: There is no login facility using your VOC membership number or the details from page 3 of the club magazine. You need to register in the normal way
  • AOL Customers: Make sure you check the 'Remember me' check box otherwise the AOL system may log you out during the session. This is a known issue with AOL.
  • AOL, Yahoo and Plus.net users. Forum owners such as us are finding that AOL, Yahoo and Plus.net are blocking a lot of email generated from forums. This may mean your registration activation and other emails will not get to you, or they may appear in your spam mailbox

Thread Informations

240 GLT saloon restoration project

Views : 38640

Replies : 270

Users Viewing This Thread :  

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Dec 14th, 2021, 10:39   #161
Juular
Senior Member
 

Last Online: Today 16:03
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Falkirk
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve 940 View Post
Hi Juular,

Wow, just stumbled across your restoration thread, as many others have already commented, you're a much braver man than many of us to undertake such a project, certainly me anyway😀

Seriously though, many congratulations on what you've achieved so far, well deserved, and another Volvo preserved for many years to come let's hope.

Have recently entered the Volvo fold with a '94 940 Wentworth estate 2.0 Turbo that had hardly been used for 10-15 years, first Volvo in 37 years of driving, and as you'd expect, it has some issues, so undergoing a rolling refurb.

Out of interest, what is the blue rust treatment you used on some of your suspension, subframe and fuel tank please??

Probably have a few areas that might benefit from this in months to come, so would be good to have some treatment so I have it to hand when needed.

Cheers
Steve
Thank you for the comments. The blue rust treatment is Bilt Hamber Hydrate 80. It works best if you can remove as much rust as possible then use the H80 to encapsulate the remnants. It's not magic, but it does provide a good stable layer for a topcoat and should prevent the rust left over in pits from breaking back out.
Juular is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Juular For This Useful Post:
Old Dec 14th, 2021, 20:31   #162
Steve 940
Premier Member
 

Last Online: Today 17:43
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: Stowmarket
Default

Thanks so much for that information, should be helpful as I’m in process of refurbishing pair of used front struts and discs, calipers etc for my 940.

I’m currently derusting using electrolysis but dare say things like backplates, will benefit before paint.

Cheers
Steve
Steve 940 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Steve 940 For This Useful Post:
Old Dec 14th, 2021, 20:54   #163
Laird Scooby
Premier Member
 
Laird Scooby's Avatar
 

Last Online: Today 20:24
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Lakenheath
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve 940 View Post
Thanks so much for that information, should be helpful as I’m in process of refurbishing pair of used front struts and discs, calipers etc for my 940.

I’m currently derusting using electrolysis but dare say things like backplates, will benefit before paint.

Cheers
Steve
Backplates will benefit from electrolysis too Steve, the beauty of it is not only does it convert the iron oxide aka rust back to good metal, it also gives a light plating onto the workpiece of good steel.

This can help repair any holes in the backplate and for any severe pits, if you then copper plate it, you can use a blowlamp, flux and solder to fill the pitting. Sand it smooth, give it another coat of copper plate then nickel plate the whole thing.
Paint it afterwards to match the rest.

Over this past year i've been working on something to do "spot electrolysis" simply to derust small areas, however i haven't (for various reasons) got to a point where i can physically test my theories so can't give any definitive information as yet.

Meanwhile for bits that aren't possible to fit in an electrobath, the Bilt Hamber products work well too!
__________________
Cheers
Dave

Next Door to Top-Gun with a Honda CR-V & S Type Jag Volvo gone but not forgotten........
Laird Scooby is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Laird Scooby For This Useful Post:
Old Dec 17th, 2021, 19:38   #164
Juular
Senior Member
 

Last Online: Today 16:03
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Falkirk
Default

Right, almost there.

I've replaced the water pump, cleaned the pcv and throttle body, replaced the inlet manifold gaskets, replaced the brake servo. Opened up the AAD valve a bit more.

It's now starting and idling fairly well. However, I still feel it's a bit rich. There's a lot of white vapour from the exhaust and the exhaust reeks of petrol even when the temp gauge is in the middle.

The thing is, even with the adjustment screw turned lean to the point where it's starting to struggle to keep ticking over, it still smells a bit rich. How is that possible if physically sounding / acting like on a lean mix?

I pulled out the plug to the CSI just in case it was still spraying fuel. No change.

It is pretty cold at the moment, around 1C.

Am I perhaps just needing to give it a good run through? Or am I being too concerned about it given I'm probably just used to vehicles with cats?
Juular is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Juular For This Useful Post:
Old Dec 17th, 2021, 19:52   #165
Othen
Premier Member
 
Othen's Avatar
 

Last Online: Today 22:45
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Corby del Sol
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Juular View Post
Right, almost there.

I've replaced the water pump, cleaned the pcv and throttle body, replaced the inlet manifold gaskets, replaced the brake servo. Opened up the AAD valve a bit more.

It's now starting and idling fairly well. However, I still feel it's a bit rich. There's a lot of white vapour from the exhaust and the exhaust reeks of petrol even when the temp gauge is in the middle.

The thing is, even with the adjustment screw turned lean to the point where it's starting to struggle to keep ticking over, it still smells a bit rich. How is that possible if physically sounding / acting like on a lean mix?

I pulled out the plug to the CSI just in case it was still spraying fuel. No change.

It is pretty cold at the moment, around 1C.

Am I perhaps just needing to give it a good run through? Or am I being too concerned about it given I'm probably just used to vehicles with cats?
Italian tune up?
__________________
... another lovely day in paradise.
Othen is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Othen For This Useful Post:
Old Dec 17th, 2021, 20:13   #166
Laird Scooby
Premier Member
 
Laird Scooby's Avatar
 

Last Online: Today 20:24
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Lakenheath
Default

You really need to get it on a gas analyser to see what the CO is doing, it could be it's actually running lean but in doing so, causing unburned fuel to exit into the exhaust. It could also be excess fuel in the exhaust from where you initially had trouble.
There is the possibility one or more of the main injectors are leaking while switched off but again, that should clear once running.

As the fuel is unleaded, they produce a steamy exhaust, especially on older engines but again, that usually clears once warmed up. Could also be an excess of condensation in the exhaust system and some of the unburned fuel is floating on that causing a petrol-pong from the tailpipes.
__________________
Cheers
Dave

Next Door to Top-Gun with a Honda CR-V & S Type Jag Volvo gone but not forgotten........
Laird Scooby is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Laird Scooby For This Useful Post:
Old Dec 17th, 2021, 22:30   #167
Juular
Senior Member
 

Last Online: Today 16:03
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Falkirk
Default

Thanks folks. Most of this is reassuring. I think I will set the CO adjustment to where it sounds right and give it a good thrash on the way to the MOT place.

Pretty sure the injectors are working alright, I've had them in and out a few times and they've always been dry, although a quick test into some bottles wouldn't hurt.
Juular is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Juular For This Useful Post:
Old Dec 17th, 2021, 22:36   #168
Laird Scooby
Premier Member
 
Laird Scooby's Avatar
 

Last Online: Today 20:24
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Lakenheath
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Juular View Post
Thanks folks. Most of this is reassuring. I think I will set the CO adjustment to where it sounds right and give it a good thrash on the way to the MOT place.

Pretty sure the injectors are working alright, I've had them in and out a few times and they've always been dry, although a quick test into some bottles wouldn't hurt.
If nothing else that will prove (or not!) that they're all delivering a similar amount of fuel. Anything untoward will soon show up!
__________________
Cheers
Dave

Next Door to Top-Gun with a Honda CR-V & S Type Jag Volvo gone but not forgotten........
Laird Scooby is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Laird Scooby For This Useful Post:
Old Dec 19th, 2021, 14:36   #169
Juular
Senior Member
 

Last Online: Today 16:03
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Falkirk
Default

Almost there! I took it a short drive today. Happy with the idle and the starting now.

The final stumbling block is that it bogs down and dies on full throttle above around 2000rpm, but only under load. It also seems to get a bit claggy at that point.

I sprayed carb cleaner around everything whilst running without a change in RPM.

What else to check?

I didn't change the throttle body gasket - I might make a new one.
Juular is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Juular For This Useful Post:
Old Dec 19th, 2021, 15:07   #170
Laird Scooby
Premier Member
 
Laird Scooby's Avatar
 

Last Online: Today 20:24
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Lakenheath
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Juular View Post
Almost there! I took it a short drive today. Happy with the idle and the starting now.

The final stumbling block is that it bogs down and dies on full throttle above around 2000rpm, but only under load. It also seems to get a bit claggy at that point.

I sprayed carb cleaner around everything whilst running without a change in RPM.

What else to check?

I didn't change the throttle body gasket - I might make a new one.
I'd check for leaks in the "sock" between the throttle body and fuel distributor, especially loose Jubilee clips securing said sock to either of those components. Also check for splits in the sock and/or perishing to ensure it's getting the full airflow it needs.

However the other thing that may be causing it is that it's running richer as engine speed increases as the injection pressure increases, suggesting a partial blockage at idle pressures on the injectors - did you put the injectors into 4 identical jars and measure the amount of fuel dispensed?
__________________
Cheers
Dave

Next Door to Top-Gun with a Honda CR-V & S Type Jag Volvo gone but not forgotten........
Laird Scooby is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Laird Scooby For This Useful Post:
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 23:39.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.