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Old Jun 9th, 2021, 12:22   #1
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So - I'm still very happy with my aged P2 XC70, but am starting to think about what I'd replace it with. I think the V90 is very attractive, and loved the SPA XC90 I hired a couple of years ago on holiday, but I suspect they're a bit fragile.

I know some D4's are variations of the 5 cylinder D5, are the late D4's the original versions of the engine that's now powering the V90's?

I know and trust the D5 in the P3 cars, would I be making a dreadful mistake with a late D4? Are the late P3's hiding any problems not shared with the earlier P3's?
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I think the issue with the new shape XC90 is it's popularity and therefore cost - early (2015) examples in good order with sensible mileage are commanding north of £25k still, with the last of the old shape models with similar provenance selling for £10k less.

Back to your question though, in the run-out years for the XC/V70 (2015MY & 2016 MY) the cars had two engine/gearbox combination.

AWD cars - 5 cylinder Volvo engine and 6-speed auto (D3 & D4 = 2.0, D5 is 2.4) harks back to the D5 intorduced in 2002.

2WD/FWD cars - 4 cylinder 2.0 Volvo VEA diesel engine and 8 speed auto (D3 & D4).

All are very good and reliable, but as you would expect the later 4 cylinder engine and 8-speed gearbox gives more refinement. The 4 cylinder D4 engine is also ultre reliable but make sure its had the EGR recall work. The P3 platform is fairly solid, no major issues, not quite as robust as the P2 but nothing else is....
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If you don't need AWD, if you can find a good 15/16 D4 with the 8-speed auto, that's a lovely smooth drive.
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I don't strictly need AWD, I don't tow anything other than a small trailer for tip runs, and I don't off road. But I couldn't bear the idea of having an XC that wasn't AWD.

Late V70's don't attract anything like the premium late XC70's do - and the V90's are available at very attractive prices. Best value new XC90 I've seen was an category N 66 plate XC90 in my favourite colour and trim combination (brown and amber trim) for £22k. Very reasonable mileage as well. That was tempting.

Also tempting is setting aside £10k for the next ten years to keep the P2 going! Just nicely run in at 190k.
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I'm oscillating as to whether to replace my 2015 XC60 with 135k on it with the very best old-shape XC90 I could find and run that for a number of years, probably to circa 200k.

When Volvo stopped taking orders for P3 V70/XC70 in March 2016, my local Volvo dealer ordered 15 XC70's "on spec" knowing they would all be sold by the time they were delivered.
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But I couldn't bear the idea of having an XC that wasn't AWD.
Interestingly enough, my XC70 currently has an electronics fault which has switched off the rear wheel drive and the entire power output is going through the front wheels. And the car is much more fun to drive. It's lighter to throw about and there seems to be more power going down onto the road. I feel that the Volvo AWD system isn't like that on a Quatro Audi. It may make the car safer but it doesn't make it sportier in its handling. I suspect that I'm going to be disappointed when the fault gets fixed and the car returns to AWD.
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I think the issue with the new shape XC90 is it's popularity and therefore cost - early (2015) examples in good order with sensible mileage are commanding north of £25k still, with the last of the old shape models with similar provenance selling for £10k less.

Back to your question though, in the run-out years for the XC/V70 (2015MY & 2016 MY) the cars had two engine/gearbox combination.

AWD cars - 5 cylinder Volvo engine and 6-speed auto (D3 & D4 = 2.0, D5 is 2.4) harks back to the D5 intorduced in 2002.

2WD/FWD cars - 4 cylinder 2.0 Volvo VEA diesel engine and 8 speed auto (D3 & D4).

All are very good and reliable, but as you would expect the later 4 cylinder engine and 8-speed gearbox gives more refinement. The 4 cylinder D4 engine is also ultre reliable but make sure its had the EGR recall work. The P3 platform is fairly solid, no major issues, not quite as robust as the P2 but nothing else is....
The VEA D3 has a 6-speed auto. Not sure why. Cost, perhaps. It's still a good box, however, at least in my wife's V60 D3.

It's probably better to get as late an example of the VEA engine as possible so as to ensure that there is no risk of high oil consumption due to blocked drain holes in oil control rings. Not all early ones suffer from this, but my wife's V60 D3 does and my own V70 D4 has started to show signs, although it seems to have backed away from it after asking for two half-litre top-ups in quick succession a couple of months ago. Volvo redesigned the oil control rings with larger drain holes so as to fix this.
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[QUOTE=Tannaton;2744015]AWD cars - 5 cylinder Volvo engine and 6-speed auto (D3 & D4 = 2.0, D5 is 2.4) harks back to the D5 intorduced in 2002.
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The AWD cars all had 2.4L 5 cylinder engines in varying states of tune depending on the badge.

Have a read of this write-up:
https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showt...14#post2660314
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AWD cars - 5 cylinder Volvo engine and 6-speed auto (D3 & D4 = 2.0, D5 is 2.4) harks back to the D5 intorduced in 2002.
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The AWD cars all had 2.4L 5 cylinder engines in varying states of tune depending on the badge.

Have a read of this write-up:
https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showt...14#post2660314
My mistake & apologies - you are correct - same also I believe in the XC60 (i.e. the pre 2015 MY D4 AWD is a 2.4)
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So - I'm still very happy with my aged P2 XC70, but am starting to think about what I'd replace it with. I think the V90 is very attractive, and loved the SPA XC90 I hired a couple of years ago on holiday, but I suspect they're a bit fragile.

I know some D4's are variations of the 5 cylinder D5, are the late D4's the original versions of the engine that's now powering the V90's?

I know and trust the D5 in the P3 cars, would I be making a dreadful mistake with a late D4? Are the late P3's hiding any problems not shared with the earlier P3's?
I think I've now got what I was after - the late 4 cylinder D4's are the same basic engines as the V90 - and the late P3's are not really any more problematic than the earlier ones (other than potentially higher oil usage in the VEA engines).
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