Seriously?

[Othen]

Regular readers will know my views on MoT exemption for 40 year old vehicles: that is I will get my older vehicles tested when the law requires me to, in the meantime I will absolutely comply with the law.

Here is the Government Response to Consultation to the Exempting Vehicles of Historical Interest from Roadworthiness Testing:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...worthiness.pdf

As I recall mentioning previously, this was in response to an EU directive (EU Directive 2014/45/EU), so we may thank our former friends for initiating this one. Now that we have left the EU we could of course rescind the legislation, and if that happens I will start getting my vehicles of historical interest tested according to whatever scheme the government directs.

The issue of exemption from VED is a separate one (in terms of the law). I am pleased that the government excuses my from paying tax on my older vehicles, and I think that is reasonable to encourage vehicles of historical interest. I don't think there is any case for a government to rescind that arrangement retrospectively (and it didn't the last time this changed, the pre-1973 vehicles already granted tax exemption were allowed to keep it when it was abolished in 1997) but I do think there is a weak case for continuing to roll it forward. I can see little merit in 1990s motor cars being considered vehicles of historical interest (in a decade's time), so perhaps that avenue should be closed off.

Just my personal views, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Alan

[360beast]

Originally Posted by Moomoo

It’s only emissions that need to be relaxed for older motors, my old Landy would not have passed, if checked. Everything else ,OK.
The same is true of most toff’s 41/2 litre Bentleys.

Not that that has any baring at all.🤭

To get a 4 1/2 running smoothly (a relative term in this isntance) you make them run rich!

[Dippydog]

I'm not trying to make the case for or against cars of the '90's becoming "of historic interest" but surely the case for them becoming so is much the same as it is now for cars of the '70's/'80's or even earlier in that they are cars their parents had/they owned when younger and hanker after another one/always fancied when new but couldn't afford to buy/run back then? I'm talking here of the ordinary everyday cars not the exotica bought more as an investment.

[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by Othen

Regular readers will know my views on MoT exemption for 40 year old vehicles: that is I will get my older vehicles tested when the law requires me to, in the meantime I will absolutely comply with the law.

Here is the Government Response to Consultation to the Exempting Vehicles of Historical Interest from Roadworthiness Testing:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...worthiness.pdf

As I recall mentioning previously, this was in response to an EU directive (EU Directive 2014/45/EU), so we may thank our former friends for initiating this one. Now that we have left the EU we could of course rescind the legislation, and if that happens I will start getting my vehicles of historical interest tested according to whatever scheme the government directs.

The issue of exemption from VED is a separate one (in terms of the law). I am pleased that the government excuses my from paying tax on my older vehicles, and I think that is reasonable to encourage vehicles of historical interest. I don't think there is any case for a government to rescind that arrangement retrospectively (and it didn't the last time this changed, the pre-1973 vehicles already granted tax exemption were allowed to keep it when it was abolished in 1997) but I do think there is a weak case for continuing to roll it forward. I can see little merit in 1990s motor cars being considered vehicles of historical interest (in a decade's time), so perhaps that avenue should be closed off.

Just my personal views, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Alan

You're one of the few exceptions that proves the rule Alan, the problem is many other people assume (wrongly) that because it's 40+ years old and no longer has to submit for annual tests those things no longer wear out, corrode or otherwise become unroadworthy.

As for 1990s cars never being eligible for Historic status, imagine for a moment we are in 2002 instead of 2022. Would you say the same about 1970s cars in that case? That would completely eliminate the RB from ever becoming Historic if so.
However i do take your point that most 1990s-on cars aren't that interesting and (presently at least) not really worth saving. We said the same 20 years ago about 1970s cars though.

I think this is something that is difficult for many people to agree on and even many insurers are still undecided about what constitutes a classic in 1990s cars.

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by Dippydog

I'm not trying to make the case for or against cars of the '90's becoming "of historic interest" but surely the case for them becoming so is much the same as it is now for cars of the '70's/'80's or even earlier in that they are cars their parents had/they owned when younger and hanker after another one/always fancied when new but couldn't afford to buy/run back then? I'm talking here of the ordinary everyday cars not the exotica bought more as an investment.

A friend of mine had many vintage vehicles that he used to show. Steam stuff and Organs.
He sold the lot 20 odd years ago because much of it was no longer relevant to the people walking around the show ground. They want to see , as
DD said, dad had, uncle had, grandpa had.
You only have to look at pre- war car prices. Self explanatory!🙁

[Othen]

... I've just bought another one chaps:



... I'm pleased to say it has not been MoT tested since 2016.

:-)

[Lucien]

Congratulations! Now that is definitely a classic!

Regards
Lucien

[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by Moomoo

A friend of mine had many vintage vehicles that he used to show. Steam stuff and Organs.
He sold the lot 20 odd years ago because much of it was no longer relevant to the people walking around the show ground. They want to see , as
DD said, dad had, uncle had, grandpa had.
You only have to look at pre- war car prices. Self explanatory!🙁

Fairly locally to me Andrew there is an annual steam rally and classic car show. I've not been for several years mainly because it is so packed there. However i do know many steam vehicles attend and classics from all eras.

However there will always be the grandad/dad/uncle had a xxxxx when i was a kid so i want one too or at least to look at some. As such the generational thing of the "trending" vehicles at various shows will always be there, as will the genuine interst in the older forms of transport and machinery.

The one i've always been confused by is the stationary engine - granted it is a stand-alone power unit capable of many things and i do know of someone on the forum who has one (a converted lawnmower to provide battery charging, jump-starting and also lighting to a point) so there is a raison d'etre for them still.

All that said, it's really down to individuals and what they like to see at the various fairs, rallys etc. and that will also drive the classic car, steam and related markets. Many people have lost interest in pre-war cars because there are so few left now that the market is more or less dead so the price has gone down. Similar exists in early 90s cars - when did you last see an early 90s Sierra, Cavalier, Astra etc for example? Rare as a hens dentist now!

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by Othen

... I've just bought another one chaps:



... I'm pleased to say it has not been MoT tested since 2016.

:-)

My word that’s beautiful.

A rare red little starlet!❤️

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by Laird Scooby

Fairly locally to me Andrew there is an annual steam rally and classic car show. I've not been for several years mainly because it is so packed there. However i do know many steam vehicles attend and classics from all eras.

However there will always be the grandad/dad/uncle had a xxxxx when i was a kid so i want one too or at least to look at some. As such the generational thing of the "trending" vehicles at various shows will always be there, as will the genuine interst in the older forms of transport and machinery.

The one i've always been confused by is the stationary engine - granted it is a stand-alone power unit capable of many things and i do know of someone on the forum who has one (a converted lawnmower to provide battery charging, jump-starting and also lighting to a point) so there is a raison d'etre for them still.

All that said, it's really down to individuals and what they like to see at the various fairs, rallys etc. and that will also drive the classic car, steam and related markets. Many people have lost interest in pre-war cars because there are so few left now that the market is more or less dead so the price has gone down. Similar exists in early 90s cars - when did you last see an early 90s Sierra, Cavalier, Astra etc for example? Rare as a hens dentist now!

I wasn’t suggesting steam rallies are now passé ,I was merely reporting my friend’s experience that people APPEARED less interested in the items he took for display .
The dad had, stuff , according to him had become more popular.

I suspect the older stuff has been seen many times over the decades.