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Dec 1st, 2021, 10:01 | #21 |
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How you do, or don't wave your willy is entirely for you. Bazifficated tosh or not, I know why I want them... send 'em down. On an old man's barge they'd amuse me.
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Dec 1st, 2021, 10:43 | #22 | |
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Dec 1st, 2021, 12:47 | #23 |
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Guys, as much as I agree with much of what both of you usually say, I think this is going off at a tangent. The OP asked -
I think we'd be more helpful returning to the original question
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Dec 3rd, 2021, 14:23 | #24 |
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There's an interesting point lurking in the background of this, somewhere. I saw a "meme" recently which featured a Japanese businessman saying "You improved the suspension we at Honda spent £50m developing using £500 parts from eBay. You're an engineering genius! There's a job waiting for you in Japan!".
I think it's pretty easy to improve the performance of a given component in a particular manner. My 343 is now far more capable on a track than it was in its factory condition. However, the ride comfort is appalling, and I'm fairly certain it's actually slower on a bumpy back-road than it was when it was standard. The difficult part in all of this is balancing "performance" vs NVH vs component lifespan, etc. That's where they spend the money. I once spent an hour or so chatting to a suspension design engineer who works for Nissan over dinner. It was a pretty interesting conversation, coming at it from an enthusiast perspective! cheers James
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Dec 3rd, 2021, 16:37 | #25 | |
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I've driven a variety of cars inc. FWD, RWD and 4WD and these cars (for the big heavy barges they are) handle quite well out of the box (pun intended) if everything is in good nick. Yes they understeer but only when you push on quite hard and they are forgiving if you mess up. Personally I think you can make more of an improvement handling wise with the tyres, going wider and better quality, than messing with the suspension. The T5's really should have come with at least 215 wide tyres like the R's IMO. I think what happens is people replace old worn out parts with shiny new upgrade parts and subsequently claim a massive improvement which of course you will get anyway as the old bits were knackered and you would have seen a big improvement if you'd changed like for like. Having the choice is a good thing though as it lets people alter things to how they like it. Clearly the manufacturers have other priorities with finding something that will work, in a wide range of countries with different climates, that will last just over the warranty period and is cheap enough to keep the accountants happy.
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Dec 5th, 2021, 11:24 | #26 | |
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That made me smile, it's so, so true. My favourite is the bloke with the vastly improved brakes. He's swapped old blown-out de-laminated factory brake-hoses with "Aahh Bisto" running thru' them, and a seized caliper, for shiny-braided ("ferma pidol innit") hose, with 'race parts' and get this... wonder of wonders, fresh fluid. Or the car that goes slighty faster, only you'd not want to sit in the thing for more than five minutes.
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And for the record, to those lecturing that the original can not be improved on, well, that's just a load of old tosh. People are allowed to want their cars to handle in different ways, or sit different ways. |
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And no-one does R&D on a set of aftermarket springs and dampers, apart from professional racers. Unless you call coming on a forum to ask questions R&D. And being sidelined by "purists" that know better, taking your thread off-topic. It's an open forum, you can chat about anything you want, wherever you want, with whoever you want, I have no control over that. But it would be nice if you waved your "engineering know how" penis around on someone else's thread, thanks all the same. I certainly won't be replying to you again, here or anywhere else. I have no interest in talking to someone so arrogant and self-aggrandising. Last edited by dahamsta; Dec 7th, 2021 at 14:42. |
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Dec 8th, 2021, 01:19 | #30 |
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FWIW, Bilstein market their B4s as "OEM replacements". I would assume that they've measured originals on a damper 'dyno' and/or had them apart to inspect the valving. I've used B4s on various cars over the years, and always been very pleased with the results.
I need to put together new front struts for my P3 V70. I'll be going for B4 dampers, but the only Eibach springs I can find are for cars with "Sports" suspension, and I like my motorway car to be armchair-spec. I'll get a price for OEM. cheers James
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