£3.00 charge to enter ULEZ zone for ALL cars

[JJD1]

Its floating around on the net that Sadiq Khan is bringing in this charge and that will be on top of ANY UlEZ and Congestion if applicable . Does not matter what car . Its to help Transport for london who are bust !

[kiloran]

Awesome, bring it on. Driving privilege needs to end, it's way too cheap and easy to drive in this country.

[Wagon Sailor]

Originally Posted by kiloran

Awesome, bring it on. Driving privilege needs to end, it's way too cheap and easy to drive in this country.

So you'd make freedom of movement available only to the rich?

[kiloran]

Originally Posted by Wagon Sailor

So you'd make freedom of movement available only to the rich?

Movement isn't free. It's really only the last 100 years where people have been freely moving around the country, and the last 50 where the majority have been doing that in private transport. Society sees it as a purely positive thing - live where you want, work where you want, go where you want, see who you want, and do all that when you want. The externalities are huge - car production and storage, fuel production, transport, and storage. As is the opportunity cost - if you didn't run a car could you work less, or spend the money on something else that's more beneficial to you? It's a not insignificant amount - powered private transport is a regressive tax on the poor but seen as essential as a phone contract or entertainment subscriptions. If you're on £10 an hour you're spending on average around 20 hours pay per month (pre-tax) on running a car.

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by kiloran

Movement isn't free. It's really only the last 100 years where people have been freely moving around the country, and the last 50 where the majority have been doing that in private transport. Society sees it as a purely positive thing - live where you want, work where you want, go where you want, see who you want, and do all that when you want. The externalities are huge - car production and storage, fuel production, transport, and storage. As is the opportunity cost - if you didn't run a car could you work less, or spend the money on something else that's more beneficial to you? It's a not insignificant amount - powered private transport is a regressive tax on the poor but seen as essential as a phone contract or entertainment subscriptions. If you're on £10 an hour you're spending on average around 20 hours pay per month (pre-tax) on running a car.

I don't think anyone suggested movement was free! Freedom of movement is something very different.

[kiloran]

Indeed. But there was an assumption in Wagon Sailor's reply that road pricing restricts freedom to the rich, which is what I was responding to.
We've structured society to build reliance on private transport by making public transport so utterly bobbins and expensive/difficult to access. If the proposed charge is indeed going to TfL to improve public transport it seems fair to me.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by kiloran

Movement isn't free. It's really only the last 100 years where people have been freely moving around the country, and the last 50 where the majority have been doing that in private transport. Society sees it as a purely positive thing - live where you want, work where you want, go where you want, see who you want, and do all that when you want. The externalities are huge - car production and storage, fuel production, transport, and storage. As is the opportunity cost - if you didn't run a car could you work less, or spend the money on something else that's more beneficial to you? It's a not insignificant amount - powered private transport is a regressive tax on the poor but seen as essential as a phone contract or entertainment subscriptions. If you're on £10 an hour you're spending on average around 20 hours pay per month (pre-tax) on running a car.

Whatever you have been smoking - I'd love to try some of that!!

[XC90Mk1]

Originally Posted by kiloran

Movement isn't free. It's really only the last 100 years where people have been freely moving around the country, and the last 50 where the majority have been doing that in private transport. Society sees it as a purely positive thing - live where you want, work where you want, go where you want, see who you want, and do all that when you want. The externalities are huge - car production and storage, fuel production, transport, and storage. As is the opportunity cost - if you didn't run a car could you work less, or spend the money on something else that's more beneficial to you? It's a not insignificant amount - powered private transport is a regressive tax on the poor but seen as essential as a phone contract or entertainment subscriptions. If you're on £10 an hour you're spending on average around 20 hours pay per month (pre-tax) on running a car.

Oh i see. It’s all the pesky people driving on a commute etc that should pay!

I work from home so presumably I am ok?

[Familyman 90]

Originally Posted by Wagon Sailor

So you'd make freedom of movement available only to the rich?

I dont believe walking, cycling or public transport are the preserve of the rich...

I like cars as much as the next man, but the danger, pollution, and congestion for which they are responsible make a densely populated urban area about the last place any able bodied person should be driving a car. It's a combination of laziness, entitlement and intertia that keeps people doing so.

[Cull06]

Boris handed TFL over to his replacement with a £9 billion debt. But yes blame Sadiq Khan.

The conservatives over the past decade plus running the country got rid of 20,000 police officers. But yes blame Sadiq Khan when crime goes up…

As for getting triggered about cycle lanes. I can’t help you you need to see a professional about that anger issue.