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Sep 17th, 2024, 17:29 | #1791 | |
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Secondly many suppliers have tariffs that go down to something like 7p/kwh for a period during the night for car charging. If you know the size of the battery and the range of the car you can estimate how many miles to the kwh, or how far for 7p. We don't have off street parking so not likely to get one anytime soon, sure someone with real experience will give their figures.
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A round trip of 162 miles cost £3.09 recently. Hope that helps.
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In other news, hearing a lot about pay-per-mile. It seems to be popping up a lot lately saying the Government are being "urged" to do it. I read an article in Birmingham Live that said it may be announced in the budget next month. That article could be a load of **** for all I know, but I reckon it'll come, its just a matter of when. I don't expect it to be announced next month though.
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Going back to my original pence per mile question, in fairness you'd need to count (say) another 2p per mile to cover the cost of the charger point and install. |
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Another thing to consider with EV's (at least pure electric ones) is running costs, such as no oil changes or cam belt services. They still need to be serviced to a point, but its a lot less involved. Road tax is also free on EV's at the moment (although this is changing next year). Then there's the ULEZ compliance, which EV's are compliant with so no charges for entering those. EV's are currently free in congestion zones in London too, if that matters to you. They'll be charged in congestion areas as of December 2025 though. Although this may not reflect so much in a per mile way, it still has to be taken into account, especially from a business perspective.
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Some manufacturers quote kWh/100kms. For this (kWh/62.14)*100 Will tell you what the car will use (official, could be better could be worse depending on how you use the vehicle) you still need to add 10% for charging losses then multiply by 39p/kWh. Having 3P electrics in the house means you can install a 22kW charger (32A 400v) and charge an EX30 with 22kW inverter in less than 3 hours from 20% to 80%. I've got a 22kW wallbox though most cars only have 11kW inverters for AC. A 20% to 80% charge of my 64kWh battery takes around 4 hours overnight.
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It can work for you if you get the charger put in and enjoy 7p pkwh, however I'm on eco7 and mine is currently 9p & 35p iirc so if I had a leccy car and had to charge in normal times it would be half what the public charger would cost plus if I didn't install the charger and just plugged it in the wall on slouch charge how long it would take to recover the charger install saving of being able to use the 7p pkwh that a full ev tariff provides, remember for me I'm already on a 2 tier meter though so for those who aren't it means you either only have one tariff or have to get the smart meter installed and perhaps at cost.
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Firstly, the UNECE testing is different from NCAP. The UNECE is a legal minimum required in many countries, but not used in China. NCAP is a consumer body who do their own, different, tests on the most popular models sold. Therefore while they are legitimate concerns, it's difficult to draw parallels between vehicles which don't have to meet certain safety standards with those that do. Of course, the safety tests won't cover every scenario - but reputable manufacturers will do significant in-house testing prior to ever getting a type approval for a vehicle. An old article, but this article suggests GM will conduct up to 175 crashes prior to releasing a new model: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/17/a...s/17CRASH.html And as we're on a Volvo forum, there's plenty of info online on the state of the art crash lab Volvo has. Plenty of other manufacturers have similar facilities and test in a huge range of different crash scenarios, not just those prescribed by regulation/NCAP.
I'd also question what credentials MGUY has. For someone to only present negative data suggests a deliberate angle rather than a balanced viewpoint He appears to just be collating data (all with a fairly negative viewpoint on EVs) but some of that comes from sites which don't seem too consistent. For example, this is one article he cites: https://carnewschina.com/2022/04/18/...s-are-on-fire/ Within the article, it says Quote:
And again, EVs sold in China don't have to meet the same standards those sold in the UK / EU do. Throughout my entire working career so far I've dealt with experts on vehicle safety from a range of manufacturers. I've seen car crash tests and safety tests across 4 continents and don't feel there is any greater danger from a well-designed and well-built EV than an equivalent petrol car. What experience does MGUY have to contradict those experts? Quote:
https://newatlas.com/automotive/im-l...r-solid-state/ and I can't think of a single EV I've seen where the batteries are stored close to any 'normal' crumple zones, including those seen in side pole impacts. Are there any examples of EU/UK sold electric cars where the batteries are in or near a crumple zone? |
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