What's the problem with electric cars?

[Thekilt]

With public charging, its not as difficult as many make out. Take Octopus Energy for example. They have a ""Electroverse" app and you can order an RFID card to keep in your car too for the times you dont have signal. They work with many different suppliers to amalgamate into one simple app. Not all are on there (pod point for example) but if you are aware how they all work it isnt that much of an issue.

We mainly use Superchargers when travelling as they are cheaper than most other public charge points, however sometimes its easier when parking somewhere and charging using the chargepoint. the only issue i had was one i cornwall which was a new system and a bit of a pain to set up, but i have never had to wait to charge anywhere.

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by The Thong

That’s a big E7 Xmas list. Least it’s not throwing away the EV dream in the pile just yet.

TT

Definitely good news from an EV perspective. Not so good for diesel and petrol owners. Euro 7 vehicles have to be compliant for 10 years or 200,000km (just over 124k). So that means none of the blanking off emissions systems like EGR's for example until the vehicle is over 10 years old or has done the appropriate mileage. Considering older cars (euro 6) are loaded with sensors as is, that's going to be costly from an ownership perspective for euro 7 owners. Not that I agree with blanking off EGR valves and so forth, but people do it to try and keep their cars on the road without spending a fortune replacing faulty parts to get them through an MOT. We all know it happens. Key point...

• Euro 7 will also consider new vehicle technologies to make vehicles tamper-proof and to help with measuring emissions easily.

With regards to Tesla, I still think they're the best option for anyone doing longer ranges. They have the best charging network/support. Like you say, EV's are Elon's USP.

[foggyjames]

Originally Posted by Thekilt

With public charging, its not as difficult as many make out. Take Octopus Energy for example. They have a ""Electroverse" app and you can order an RFID card to keep in your car too for the times you dont have signal. They work with many different suppliers to amalgamate into one simple app. Not all are on there (pod point for example) but if you are aware how they all work it isnt that much of an issue.

Well that's quite interesting. As an onlooker (looking at users experiences of both Tesla and "everyone else"), "everyone else" looks like a nightmare...but I appreciate that's not first-hand experience. But, then again, I witnessed a colleague struggling for about 10 minutes with a destination charger to top up his XC40 a few weeks ago, while (at least as far as I'm aware) with a Tesla you just plug it in and the car takes care of billing, etc. I do appreciate that you would potentially need to grapple with a third-party destination charger with a Tesla, too, but at least you aren't taking a deep breath about potentially having that experience every time you stop for a mid-journey splash.

I believe that the smart route planning / charger integration which has been a key Tesla benefit is now present in some cars with AAOS, which is a huge step forward, but you're still at the mercy of the network (reliability, complexity, availability, etc) and the higher kWh costs.

Of course none of that is a factor unless you're actually going to charge away from home, and many people will barely ever (or potentially never) do that.

cheers

James

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

So that means none of the blanking off emissions systems like EGR's for example until the vehicle is over 10 years old or has done the appropriate mileage..

It's already a criminal offence to remove a factory catalyst, EGR or DPF on a vehicle of any age or Euro rating.

Prosecutions, both for proving the service and driving a modified car, are starting to trickle in.

https://autorepairfocus.com/garage-p...modifications/

[Thekilt]

Originally Posted by foggyjames

Well that's quite interesting. As an onlooker (looking at users experiences of both Tesla and "everyone else"), "everyone else" looks like a nightmare...but I appreciate that's not first-hand experience. But, then again, I witnessed a colleague struggling for about 10 minutes with a destination charger to top up his XC40 a few weeks ago, while (at least as far as I'm aware) with a Tesla you just plug it in and the car takes care of billing, etc. I do appreciate that you would potentially need to grapple with a third-party destination charger with a Tesla, too, but at least you aren't taking a deep breath about potentially having that experience every time you stop for a mid-journey splash.

I believe that the smart route planning / charger integration which has been a key Tesla benefit is now present in some cars with AAOS, which is a huge step forward, but you're still at the mercy of the network (reliability, complexity, availability, etc) and the higher kWh costs.

Of course none of that is a factor unless you're actually going to charge away from home, and many people will barely ever (or potentially never) do that.

cheers

James

I had an issue yesterday when parking. I didnt really need to charge as i had 170 miles remaining, and the cost per kwh was quite high. However to pay for parking was more arduous than charging. We didnt have any change, the parking machine didnt take card, and when trying to use the app it stated i was already registered but even after resetting password i still couldnt get in. 5 minutes faffing i gave up, parked at the charger (third party charger) plugged in and tapped the RFID card from Octopus and behold it was charging. Wasnt an issue at all. I have had bad experiances with third party chargers, and i dont for one minute disbeleive any of the issues other people have had. Its not all roses with Tesla chargers either. We have encountered ones which dont work, or dodgy connectors but luckily at the time of day we were there it wasnt busy at all.

I remember well the times i was at fuel stations and there wasnt any fuelat the pumps, then trying to find another local station with fuel before running out. similar stories but people forget this and focus on the negative of something they dont like.

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by Tannaton

It's already a criminal offence to remove a factory catalyst, EGR or DPF on a vehicle of any age or Euro rating.

Prosecutions, both for proving the service and driving a modified car, are starting to trickle in.

https://autorepairfocus.com/garage-p...modifications/

I'm well aware of that, but it still happens.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

I'm well aware of that, but it still happens.

Yes, it's endemic, unfortunately.

[Tannaton]

Just seen a press release from Polestar where they are trialing a new version of the battery on their forthcoming Polestar 4 model which can charge from 10% to 80% in 10 minutes. That's the sort of progress we need to see.

The downside is if it has say a 90kWh usable battery, you'd need a 1,200 amp socket in your garage....

[Forg]

Originally Posted by Tannaton

Just seen a press release from Polestar where they are trialing a new version of the battery on their forthcoming Polestar 4 model which can charge from 10% to 80% in 10 minutes. That's the sort of progress we need to see.

The downside is if it has say a 90kWh usable battery, you'd need a 1,200 amp socket in your garage....

Why can't they learn from the Toyota hybrids which charge the battery as you drive around? Then you wouldn't need a power socket at all!

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by Forg

Why can't they learn from the Toyota hybrids which charge the battery as you drive around? Then you wouldn't need a power socket at all!

Good point. As the power would be generated by a small mechanical device that can run for a considerable amount of time on magic motion lotion that takes just minutes to fill a tank - there would be no need for all this expensive, high power, complex charging infrastructure !