|
Diesel Engines A forum dedicated to diesel engines fitted to Volvo cars. See the first post in this forum for a list of the diesel engines. |
Information |
|
D5 engine used without oil. Very sad :-(Views : 23787 Replies : 71Users Viewing This Thread : |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
Jul 16th, 2021, 12:38 | #1 |
New Member
Last Online: Feb 6th, 2024 07:24
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: Bath
|
D5 engine used without oil. Very sad :-(
Dear All
Any of you lovely folk able to advise please? Our beautiful XC70 2011 MY D5 205hp 63,000 miles FVSH, belts and transmission oil changed 12m ago at 60,000 miles Built to our specification and owned since new. Main Dealer oil service yesterday seemed to take a while longer than usual. Manager came to see me to tell me that engine became noisy, knocking, juddering on test drive "for no obvious reason." "To be further investigated tomorrow" Today an apologetic phone call explaining that "the technician remembered that he had changed the filter, fitted the sump plug and forgot to add oil." He had popped into work today on his day off to explain - decent chap. We are all human I suppose. However...."the car was warmed up on the ramp and driven out of the bay and back in again as the car was making some noise. Oil was then added and the car taken on a road test. The noises continued and worsened." Sump has been removed and a bit of damage to a shell seen. 1. The good news is that the cause for the problem is known - oil starvation 2. The concerning news is.....well can you folk advise please? I'm concerned that damage may have happened that is present now or may affect any engine oil lubricated components down the line. It is our family caravan holiday tow car (hence transmission fluid replacement at 60k) and we are to use it for a 3 week caravan trip in the near future to the continent. Our earlier XC70 D5 163 passed 200k miles without issue. I'm less than convinced that this one will do quite so well. Any advice would be appreciated. Dealer Principal back next week. Thanks in advance David Last edited by Davadava; Jul 16th, 2021 at 12:56. |
Jul 16th, 2021, 13:40 | #2 |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 01:16
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Belfast
|
It only takes a few seconds of running an engine without oil to cause terminal damage to bearings, crankshafts, camshafts, piston rings and turbo bearings etc. By adding oil afterwards they are simply closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. The engine will either need to be rebuilt (including new turbos, oil pump and oil cooler etc), or it will need to be replaced.
__________________
1996 850 T5 - Sold 2003 S40 1.9d - Sold 2004 S60 D5 |
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Dancake For This Useful Post: |
Jul 16th, 2021, 13:50 | #3 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Feb 16th, 2024 13:43
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Na
|
Quote:
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to XC90Mk1 For This Useful Post: |
Jul 16th, 2021, 13:59 | #4 |
New Member
Last Online: Feb 6th, 2024 07:24
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: Bath
|
Cheers, it has been a great worry to us.
We have been told that the crankshaft shells will be replaced and then the engine tested with the diagnostic machine connected to check all is ok. A mechanic pal said "the engine will be toast in no time" I fear he is correct. Don't fancy it going pop whilst towing the caravan on a motorway |
Jul 16th, 2021, 14:46 | #5 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Feb 16th, 2024 13:43
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Na
|
Quote:
The issue is that whilst replacing the shell bearings will bring it back in spec and prevent knocking there will be microscopic parts of shell bearing throughout the engine which you won’t clear out. Valve stem seals in the top have run dry so they won’t last long, and there will be parts of the camshaft and valves etc that will have been temperature effected (hardened or annealed). I don’t believe you will have too much issue with a reputable Volvo dealer (sadly it’s impressive that they actually admitted it). But that engine is now completely finished unless you have some over whelming evidence to the country. Keep us posted as to how you get on with it? |
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to XC90Mk1 For This Useful Post: |
Jul 16th, 2021, 15:46 | #6 |
Upstanding Member
Last Online: Sep 12th, 2023 11:29
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Ludlow
|
All bearing surfaces must now be considered to have potential damage. Let them know ASAP that you expect a new engine, if only to put them on the back foot. I've no idea if you'll get one but that's a good target.
__________________
GONE: 2015 V60 D4 181 (VEA) R-Design Lux Nav manual in black |
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Zebster For This Useful Post: |
Jul 16th, 2021, 16:38 | #7 |
GoldMember
Last Online: Apr 14th, 2024 10:10
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Kent, UK
|
back to school
Sounds like a schoolboy error.. but full credit for their honesty .. a very sad demise of what sounds like a well cared for volvo .. totally agree with others comments on the way forward,, maybe you could find a lower milage engine from a reputable breakers and get them to swap it out?.. be very interested to hear what they offer to do to rectify things, probably one of the reason's i prefer to do my own servicing despite the aggro this sometimes brings with it 😀 at least you know which idiot broke it 😀
|
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Thassos For This Useful Post: |
Jul 16th, 2021, 17:16 | #8 |
Senior Member
Last Online: Oct 5th, 2021 19:46
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Huddersfield
|
Oh dear, I feel for you but that engine is well and truly goosed for all the likely reasons already mentioned. And, why should you accept anything less than a new engine? Hope you get a good result.
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Adrian888 For This Useful Post: |
Jul 16th, 2021, 17:46 | #9 |
Premier Member
Last Online: Yesterday 23:24
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Manchester
|
as good as the d5 engine is it can not withstand being run without oil a new engine and turbo is required accept nothing less take legal advise if they try wriggle out of this . if you take the car with a bodged repair the ball will be in your court and they wiil say something like it was ok when you took it its the things that you cannot see that will fail later bores rings cams seals ect
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Simmy For This Useful Post: |
Jul 17th, 2021, 11:35 | #10 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 02:41
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Groningen
|
Quote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD0Pv6yyGek |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to 5cilinder For This Useful Post: |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|