Any Advice, Part 2!

[Othen]

Originally Posted by Chris152

I'll set of early!

I spent much of the day drying out the carpet and sound proofing, nice day for it here. I read Jungle Jim's thread here:
https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showt...highlight=leak
and it clearly could be a number of things that are letting water in, there was definitely no shortage of it in the foot well. One likely candidate is the windscreen fixing - there's a couple of gaps (see one in the first pic). I need to get the boy to play a hose on it while I'm inside so I can see, but that'll be my first point to check I guess?
And while we're about it, the windscreen has fogging about 1.5" in in some places (second pic), presumably delaminating a bit and allowing moisture in?
If so - can you get new windscreens for these?! I've searched but not found. If the leak is the seal, we may get a new screen fitted and kill two birds with the one stone.

Any thoughts much appreciated.

You should be able to get a new windscreen easily enough Chris - the one on the RB is only about 3 years old so I'm fairly certain any auto glass fitter should be able to find one for you.

I see you still have the older type seal with the metal strip. I understand most glass fitters don't like those, so you may end up with the later (wider) seal like the RB has:



... these seem to work perfectly well (no leaks with the RB), but it depends how true to the original you want to remain. I still have the metal surround and have acquired a set of the plastic retaining clips, but I've decided it is just not worth the cost or risk of having the screen re-fitted with the old type seal and stainless steel (I think) surround. I quite like the more modern look on the RB, and with that motor car I'm making no pretence whatsoever of a restoration.

Alan

PS. One thing I do is run a finger of silicone grease around the outer edge of the seal, just in the corners every now and then (maybe a few times per year). That seems to help maintain a good, watertight seal and helps keep the rubber seal supple.

[Bob Meadows]

Chris:~
As confirmed you will be able to get a windscreen from Auto Windscreens or similar.
Fogging is usually a sign of water entering the underside of the trim.
My money is on the gap that is shown in your photo and now marked-the seals tend to pull away here (you can reseal as advised)
The second photo and also marked in blue- two drain holes exist- one either side of the car- just on the screen/"A" post bend. These holes allow water into the cab onto a sort of shelf just under the dashboard- water will run along towards the door & down the inner "A" post and fuse box-- What a lovely design feature.
Fill the holes with polyurethane to seal but access is restricted with the outer trim in place.
I'm just finishing a modification to my seal (Chrome insert type that I wanted to keep- this is clipped into place) will do a post when finalized and tested.
Hope it helps.
Regards Bob.

[Laird Scooby]

Can't add anything to the good advice already given Chris, however on the 7/9xx cars there are scuttle drains on the bulkhead in the engine bay. These have a habit of blocking up with leaves etc from trees and the heater intake plenum fills with water. If the car is leaning slightly to one side, perhaps because of how the ground is, this can cause a wet footwell on the side which is lowest.

Annoyingly the best place to be able to see (and therefore clean) these drains is from underneath.

That means you stand a fair chance of getting wet while you shove some long cable ties, thick strimmer line or similar up the drains to clear the blockage.

I'm not sure if the 240 has these drains but wouldn't be surprised if it does.

[Chris152]

It's a tricky one, isn't it?! I'd not noticed that gap toward the top of the windscreen til I looked at the photo, Bob. The problem is it's quite big and I guess there's a lot of space behind to fill with sealant, and wonder if it's worth doing if we're going to change the screen. The gap at the bottom is easy enough to fill with silicon grease. And I can't even see the drain hole or where it might go (the carpet's still out, so I have a decent view under the dash). Likewise, from underneath I'm not seeing drain holes, Dave.

There was a bit of surface rust on the floor pan, presumably the result of a winter of holding water (though it's so light I think it may just have been mess left by the hopeless welder we had fix the floor pans in Autumn), so we've cleaned and treated that, waiting for it to dry so we can put some hammerite on it. Once it's all dry, we'll try the hose pipe and see if there are any drips. Clearly it's leaking somewhere, so fingers crossed.

Just so I can bear it in mind, anyone have any idea what we could expect to pay for a new screen to be fitted? I've looked at the sites online, and they all want me to make a booking to have it fitted rather than providing an estimate/ quote. I won't be committing to anything til after the MoT - once I've driven it there, I'm not allowed under law to drive it home (MoT expired now) so they'll have to do whatever work's needed, hopefully nothing expensive! I trust them completely, and they don't need to create work.

[Stephen Edwin]

Dave,

I have not tried this and all possible disclaimers are hereby deployed. Including I never did say this.

In a well known supermarket with a four letter name A*** and probably elsewhere such as your usual eBay searches, one can buy a Drain Snake. Long and flexible with a lovely little brush on the end. Workd ok on hand wash basins.

That might help with those scuttle drains you mentioned ...

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[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by Chris152

I won't be committing to anything til after the MoT - once I've driven it there, I'm not allowed under law to drive it home (MoT expired now) so they'll have to do whatever work's needed, hopefully nothing expensive! I trust them completely, and they don't need to create work.

You're allowed by law to drive to and from the MoT station Chris and any other bona fide repair place for the puroses of having the car repaired to MoT standard (or above). That means that even if it does fail, you can drive home and back to the test station after for retest after doing the repairs.

Check your insurance, you'll probably find you have a £50-80 excess on the policy for glass, that's by far the cheapest and easiest way of getting a replacement screen and most of the time, they will renew the seal as making it waterproof is part of the job. On older screens where the screen is held in by the seal (and not bonded to the bodyshell), often the easiest way to remove the old screen is simply to cut the old seal so a new one is necessary.

Note that claiming for a windscreen (or other glass covered by the policy) does NOT effect your NCB so you shouldn't have any worries there.

Just trying to find some underbonnet pics of an empty 240 engine bay to see whether it has the scuttle drains as i suspect............

[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by Stephen Edwin

Dave,

I have not tried this and all possible disclaimers are hereby deployed. Including I never did say this.

In a well known supermarket with a four letter name A*** and probably elsewhere such as your usual eBay searches, one can buy a Drain Snake. Long and flexible with a lovely little brush on the end. Workd ok on hand wash basins.

That might help with those scuttle drains you mentioned ...

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Nice idea but probably too large for the (relatively) small scuttle drains that tend to be about 20mm OD, ~15mm ID and therefore much smaller than domestic drains for sinks, basins etc.

[Stephen Edwin]

Originally Posted by Stephen Edwin

Dave,

I have not tried this and all possible disclaimers are hereby deployed. Including I never did say this.

In a well known supermarket with a four letter name A*** and probably elsewhere such as your usual eBay searches, one can buy a Drain Snake. Long and flexible with a lovely little brush on the end. Workd ok on hand wash basins.

That might help with those scuttle drains you mentioned ...

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Hmmmm ... a plethora of similar such devices are on the eBay .... aha ....





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[Chris152]

Brilliant Dave - I did read that you can't drive it home if it fails but your post prompted further research and I found:
'If your vehicle doesn't have a current MOT certificate, you can only drive it to or from a pre-arranged MOT appointment or to or from a pre-arranged repair appointment to have defects remedied that were discovered on a previous test.'
at
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q360.htm
Clearly I can't drive home if they find something dangerous, but hopefully that won't be happening!

I keep staring at the screen/ bulkhead and below and can't find drain holes/ pipes. Is the object to empty the small compost heaps that have formed under the two grills just below the windscreen and some pipes leading out of them?

[Stephen Edwin]

Can't find the device to measure.

If it's as giganormous diameterally as 15mm I'll be ... memory wise very surprised.

Size might be why I made the suggestion ...

Hey ho.





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