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Old Aug 10th, 2022, 23:18   #3171
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Well Bob, in 1977 the price of an average house in the UK was 9,737 - so 5,595 might have bought a nice flat in somewhere like Leicester. In that context a Volvo 240 was pretty expensive!
Pretty much, Alan. In that year, Linda paid 6.7K for a nice one bed flat in a newish block in Mountsorrel, just North of the city. Unlike motor cars, however, which rarely appreciate, it went on to sell for considerably more than that just four years later when we were buying our first house together.

In contrast, my Mini, for which I had paid 2.2K new in 1978, sold for just 950. Cars may be fun and nice to have, but they are a depreciating asset.

The better investment was, is still, and, I think, always will be property. I just wish that I had realised that when I was younger, and invested so, instead of contributing, as was my wont, into pension schemes. A few may have performed well, but most seemingly not. The way mine is doing right now I'm convinced that I would have had more fun by feeding 20 notes into the shredder!

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P.S. I sense a thread on alternative investments coming on ... J.
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Pretty much, Alan. In that year, Linda paid 6.7K for a nice one bed flat in a newish block in Mountsorrel, just North of the city. Unlike motor cars, however, which rarely appreciate, it went on to sell for considerably more than that just four years later when we were buying our first house together.

In contrast, my Mini, for which I had paid 2.2K new in 1978, sold for just 950. Cars may be fun and nice to have, but they are a depreciating asset.

The better investment was, is still, and, I think, always will be property. I just wish that I had realised that when I was younger, and invested so, instead of contributing, as was my wont, into pension schemes. A few may have performed well, but most seemingly not. The way mine is doing right now I'm convinced that I would have had more fun by feeding 20 notes into the shredder!

Hey ho ...

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You are so right John; on these little islands of ours where the already large population has increased by a third (from 50 to 67 millions) in my lifetime it was inevitable that limited supply and increasing demand would increase the value of land and houses. I suppose the cost of the average house in our nation has increased by about 27 times since 1977, so the cost of that 1977 Volvo 240 would today be 154,000 relative to property.

In my lifetime I have owned 9 houses; I only have two today, but in hindsight I'd have found ways to keep all of them (and maybe some more) - today I'd own a stock worth 4 to 5 million. Dan (who will be 18 in a few weeks) has realised the value of housing as an investment and is already planning to buy his first with some cash I'll give him on his birthday. I wish I'd had that foresight when I was 18!

A better bellwether for Bob's comparison might be the price of gold. It sold for about 85/oz in 1977, and today is 1,465/oz - so that is 17 times as much. By that measure the 1977 Volvo 240 would have cost the equivalent of 96,900 today.

I suppose one might conclude a few things. The first might be that new motor cars have become very cheap over the past 45 years, a similar equivalent to that 240 in today's market might be 30-40,000 (I just looked up the XC40, which apparently cost 35,000). One might also conclude (as you have John) that whilst fun, motor cars are quickly depreciating assets.

It will be fine in the RB thread goes off on an alternative investments tangent for a while - it has previously taken us on many diversions away from a 1980 Volvo 244.

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I like Steelies, but the 122S looks nice with the wires.
It's a '64 so not dissimilar to yours .
I don't think it would be all that difficult to convert an Amazon to wire wheels Bob. These bolt on adaptors are for a Triumph (Stag, TR6 etc) are 4x4.5" PCD, but I suspect the manufacturer could drill them to 5x4.5" to fit a Volvo easily:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353417688411?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&itemid=353417688411&targetid=14030350151 87&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=1006653&poi=&camp aignid=17218284410&mkgroupid=142217514411&rlsatarg et=aud-1195034332244la-1403035015187&abcId=9300867&merchantid=7465884&gcl id=CjwKCAjw0dKXBhBPEiwA2bmObTJMt1srW8TOaAZo-PkiKCCQamcRJmb7B-wmofH6lNs0wplJpNMzSBoCzQUQAvD_BwE

... they only cost 165/set/ The wheels might be expensive, depending on what quality and whether they were new or second hand they might be 150 to 2,500/set. Here is a nice set of 15" MGC wheels for 150 that would be just about right and already have a period patina (complete with a missing spoke in one wheel - just like a motor car might have in 1975):

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/295127157...UAAOSw0Ohi6CNd

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I've finished work on preparing the RB and the AW71 for its trip north, so I started work on the B230 motor.

I took off the flex plate, there was no sign of any leaking but I decided to change the rear crank seal anyway:



... I hooked out the seal to find that is is a slightly different size from the spare one I had (for a B21/23 motor, that must have been one of the changes Volvo made). This one is part #430118. No matter; I've ordered a new one for only 8.35 delivered and will fit it next week.

The other 3 seals look like they are the same size as the B21, so I'll swap them at the same time.

I'm in two minds about changing the head gasket, there are no signs of failure - but I have a spare one in the gaskets set. I will check the valve clearances and change the spacers if I need to, then change the hushers and the cam belt. There are a few exhaust studs that look a but rough, so I'll swap the almost new set out of the spare 160 head I have.

I was thinking that I might as well remove both manifolds to give access to the block and then clean it up and patch paint with some nice Hamerite red.

I'll give the K-Jetronic system a visual check over and a clean up with some silicone spray so it looks nice. I'm in two minds as to whether I re-fit it or dry store it.

I haven't got a use for the B230e yet, but I might as well have it prepared for when something comes up. One possibility is a 244 GLE (or is it a GL in disguise?) currently being discussed in the 'Seriously?' thread.

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You could always get some "box section" and make yourself a nice engine stand .
Knowing your capabilities , you would knock it out in an afternoon!
It could ensure working on the engine was a piece of cake and it would make a fine accompaniment to the hoist.
Making it possible to jerry rig up a full system to run on the stand( for science).

As for the head gasket , if it ain't broke...
But I know your itching to see its innards!
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You could always get some "box section" and make yourself a nice engine stand .
Knowing your capabilities , you would knock it out in an afternoon!
It could ensure working on the engine was a piece of cake and it would make a fine accompaniment to the hoist.
Making it possible to jerry rig up a full system to run on the stand( for science).

As for the head gasket , if it ain't broke...
But I know your itching to see its innards!
You are absolutely right on both counts Bob.

If I haven't fitted the engine to something soon I was thinking I'd make some brackets to fit the 2 engine mounts plus something for the back.

You are probably right about the head gasket, but pulling the head off would only take 20 minutes and I could check the bores :-)

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Generally speaking I'm firmly in the "If it ain't broke" camp.However while you've got the engine there in front of you it might be wise to give it a thorough check do the headgasket etc[I see you're already doing the oil seals]rather than fit it into something only to find it needs work that'd be easier done now.
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