D24TIC - wont start at all tryed either too

69dieselfreak · Oct 10th, 2008, 05:13

i just got my injection pump timed and belt put on and im asuming every thing was on time but the damn car will not start even when i hit it with either directly into the turbo what could be my problem thank guys
could i have the wrong timing on the pump
or could it be a more servier prolem

Laney760 · Oct 10th, 2008, 16:09

Ooh, don't use ether/ easy start etc... on vehicles, particularly on the D24TIC engine. I have used it twice on my Merc 307D diesel camper when it needed priming, didn't want to, but these engines are impossible to prime once out of diesel, have gotten away with it purely because it is such a low compession engine, oh so basic, but I have probably got a coating of it in the engine which would build up after a few more uses and finish it off altogether. Copied from the net

'In about 1984 I was invited to visit a metallurgical laboratory where they investigated the causes of engine failures of various kinds. I saw diesel engine damage of burnt out injectors, pock-marked valve seats and faces, burnt out valves, piston lands melted jamming rings, all caused by using Easy Start. On petrol engines I saw melted spark plugs, burnt-out valves, pitted valve seats and faces, melted piston crowns, burnt and pitted piston lands, broken piston rings and scuffed bores, again all caused by using Easy Start. Needless to say, I have never used it or recommended its use use since this visit'

There is also a thread on the net concerning a leading motoring organisation using Easy Start on a stationary vehicle, killing the engine and a resultant strip down report stated that the damage to the engine was consistent with a cam belt failure at over 100mph but the vehicle had been stationary!

AND there's a guy called 'Blinky' on the net who got his nickname from losing an eye from the resultant blowback from using Easy Start. Poor chap

oman5 · Oct 10th, 2008, 18:05

easy start is good for getting rid of wasps nests though. whooomph!!
mwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
You are quite right however, its an engine killer. I had a bedford midi with the isuzu diesel a while back, on which the glow plug relay didnt work, the only way to get it going was to squirt some easy start down the air intake.
It actually destroyed the rings and piston crowns causing the engine to feed off its own sump oil and self destruct!
With modern vehicles there really shouldnt be any need for easy start, it was used mainly for crap like the ford york diesel engine which would never go from cold, or for vehicles in sub-zero climates. I think your timing is likely to be out, its too much of a coincidence that you've had the pump off and now it won't go.

jor · Oct 10th, 2008, 18:10

Either the glowplugs are not working, or it's not getting fuel or something has gone awry in the belt change. If you are confident that the change was o.k. i.e., the engine turned over freely by hand after the new belt went on then check that the glowplugs are working and that diesel is getting to the injectors by loosening the connections in turn. If not the pump can be primed with a length of tubing from a container on the roof. Also make sure that none of the little return lines from the injectors have not become disloged.

jor

volvobm · Oct 10th, 2008, 21:51

explain wont start... there will be the differance. easy start in the airbox. other stuff wont do it. Even with the timing off it will start and then cut after a min or when you put it in drive.

69dieselfreak · Oct 11th, 2008, 00:38

ok guys i got it running with out the use of either today witch i was relived because believe me i know what the effects of either are it was my last resort last night i was just getting frusterated
but i dont know why it wasnt starting but when i first got it going it was running rough as hell and im not shure how long it had sat for but i created my own clear out and easy start and it works autotrans fluid and diesel in a spray bottle it cleared that engine up really nicely anyway im so happy i got it running
1 thing off my list 100 more to go thanks guys
i love this site

69dieselfreak · Oct 11th, 2008, 16:42

well now i think the root of my no start problem is in the glow plug system any suggestions on that system that i might be able to follow

jor · Oct 11th, 2008, 18:19

There's a discussion on glow plugs / relay here
http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showth...ght=glow+plugs
or just do a search on the forum for "glow plugs"

jor

69dieselfreak · Oct 12th, 2008, 00:27

did all my gp tests and its a wireing problem

Oct 10th, 2008, 05:13	#1
69dieselfreak big rig tech Last Online: Dec 1st, 2008 03:24 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: cottonwood az	wont start at all tryed either too i just got my injection pump timed and belt put on and im asuming every thing was on time but the damn car will not start even when i hit it with either directly into the turbo what could be my problem thank guys could i have the wrong timing on the pump or could it be a more servier prolem __________________ 85 740gle turbo diesel automatic currently stock soon; coolant filter ,cat elc, trans filter, custom intake, exhaust, and any other free things that ill be able to play with MY BABY 86 ford f-250 2wd 4 speed hypermax turbo

Oct 10th, 2008, 16:09	#2
Laney760 VOC Member Last Online: Mar 18th, 2024 12:17 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Henley on Thames	Ooh, don't use ether/ easy start etc... on vehicles, particularly on the D24TIC engine. I have used it twice on my Merc 307D diesel camper when it needed priming, didn't want to, but these engines are impossible to prime once out of diesel, have gotten away with it purely because it is such a low compession engine, oh so basic, but I have probably got a coating of it in the engine which would build up after a few more uses and finish it off altogether. Copied from the net 'In about 1984 I was invited to visit a metallurgical laboratory where they investigated the causes of engine failures of various kinds. I saw diesel engine damage of burnt out injectors, pock-marked valve seats and faces, burnt out valves, piston lands melted jamming rings, all caused by using Easy Start. On petrol engines I saw melted spark plugs, burnt-out valves, pitted valve seats and faces, melted piston crowns, burnt and pitted piston lands, broken piston rings and scuffed bores, again all caused by using Easy Start. Needless to say, I have never used it or recommended its use use since this visit' There is also a thread on the net concerning a leading motoring organisation using Easy Start on a stationary vehicle, killing the engine and a resultant strip down report stated that the damage to the engine was consistent with a cam belt failure at over 100mph but the vehicle had been stationary! AND there's a guy called 'Blinky' on the net who got his nickname from losing an eye from the resultant blowback from using Easy Start. Poor chap __________________ [IMG]Volvo2 by Strider'swoman, on Flickr[/IMG] Current '96 945 2.3 lpt - Aurigas, tailgate spoiler, sports grille, lpg fuelled Previous '88 764 TD, '92 945 TD, '88 745, '81 244 DL Last edited by Laney760; Oct 10th, 2008 at 16:10. Reason: spelling

Oct 10th, 2008, 18:05	#3
oman5 Senior Member Last Online: Oct 23rd, 2022 03:06 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: merthyr tydfil	easy start is good for getting rid of wasps nests though. whooomph!! mwahahahahahahahaha!!!!! You are quite right however, its an engine killer. I had a bedford midi with the isuzu diesel a while back, on which the glow plug relay didnt work, the only way to get it going was to squirt some easy start down the air intake. It actually destroyed the rings and piston crowns causing the engine to feed off its own sump oil and self destruct! With modern vehicles there really shouldnt be any need for easy start, it was used mainly for crap like the ford york diesel engine which would never go from cold, or for vehicles in sub-zero climates. I think your timing is likely to be out, its too much of a coincidence that you've had the pump off and now it won't go. Last edited by oman5; Oct 10th, 2008 at 18:11. Reason: added more info

Oct 11th, 2008, 00:38	#6
69dieselfreak big rig tech Last Online: Dec 1st, 2008 03:24 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: cottonwood az	ok guys i got it running with out the use of either today witch i was relived because believe me i know what the effects of either are it was my last resort last night i was just getting frusterated but i dont know why it wasnt starting but when i first got it going it was running rough as hell and im not shure how long it had sat for but i created my own clear out and easy start and it works autotrans fluid and diesel in a spray bottle it cleared that engine up really nicely anyway im so happy i got it running 1 thing off my list 100 more to go thanks guys i love this site __________________ 85 740gle turbo diesel automatic currently stock soon; coolant filter ,cat elc, trans filter, custom intake, exhaust, and any other free things that ill be able to play with MY BABY 86 ford f-250 2wd 4 speed hypermax turbo

Oct 11th, 2008, 16:42	#7
69dieselfreak big rig tech Last Online: Dec 1st, 2008 03:24 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: cottonwood az	well now i think the root of my no start problem is in the glow plug system any suggestions on that system that i might be able to follow __________________ 85 740gle turbo diesel automatic currently stock soon; coolant filter ,cat elc, trans filter, custom intake, exhaust, and any other free things that ill be able to play with MY BABY 86 ford f-250 2wd 4 speed hypermax turbo

Oct 10th, 2008, 18:10	#4
jor VOC 20573 Last Online: Jul 10th, 2023 22:14 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wembley	Either the glowplugs are not working, or it's not getting fuel or something has gone awry in the belt change. If you are confident that the change was o.k. i.e., the engine turned over freely by hand after the new belt went on then check that the glowplugs are working and that diesel is getting to the injectors by loosening the connections in turn. If not the pump can be primed with a length of tubing from a container on the roof. Also make sure that none of the little return lines from the injectors have not become disloged. jor

Oct 10th, 2008, 21:51	#5
volvobm Member Last Online: Apr 3rd, 2024 20:56 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dublin	explain wont start... there will be the differance. easy start in the airbox. other stuff wont do it. Even with the timing off it will start and then cut after a min or when you put it in drive.

Oct 11th, 2008, 18:19	#8
jor VOC 20573 Last Online: Jul 10th, 2023 22:14 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wembley	There's a discussion on glow plugs / relay here http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showth...ght=glow+plugs or just do a search on the forum for "glow plugs" jor Last edited by jor; Oct 11th, 2008 at 19:47.

Oct 12th, 2008, 00:27	#9
69dieselfreak big rig tech Last Online: Dec 1st, 2008 03:24 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: cottonwood az	did all my gp tests and its a wireing problem __________________ 85 740gle turbo diesel automatic currently stock soon; coolant filter ,cat elc, trans filter, custom intake, exhaust, and any other free things that ill be able to play with MY BABY 86 ford f-250 2wd 4 speed hypermax turbo

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