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Old Jul 27th, 2021, 09:11   #21
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I do definitely wish I'd left them alone though i will say, I only did them because I was replacing the rear discs and pads, I should have left the handbrake for two reasons

A) would have known if there was any difference caused by non-oem discs (drum diameter)

And b) if they did work albeit still on about 6 clicks as per original it would have saved time and effort and I wouldn't have even questioned it

I think I was spurred on by horror stories about delamination but there was plenty of meat left on the shoes for whatever that's worth
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Old Jul 27th, 2021, 11:41   #22
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A 200k car could easily have a much less used and better condition handbrake than a 50k car of a similar age so I wouldn't use mileage as the measure of the condition of handbrake components.
They either need changing or they don't.

The friction thickness is not a measure of delamination. It will always be very close to the brand new thickness as the handbrake is only used when stationary.
Delamination relates to the bonding of the friction material to the shoe itself so replacing them is never a bad thing.

I'm afraid it's not a question of agreeing to disagree as spending money on an unnecessary component is not something in which I see any merit.
If I was having this discussion with someone who had done the job completely but still felt they needed adjusters, I'd agree to disagree. That isn't the case though.

We're talking millimetres and fractions of when discussing the effectiveness of the cables.
It's nearly 20 years old, it's being removed anyway to change the other cables so I'm perplexed why it wouldn't be changed at that point instead of faffing with adjusters.

A perfect handbrake can be achieved without turning adjusters and sticking screwdrivers into brake discs.
The cost isn't the issue either as I am advocating spending money, only spending it on a component that was in the original design.
Gilding the lily seems to have overtaken the much simpler, doing the job right first time.
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Old Jul 27th, 2021, 19:13   #23
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A 200k car could easily have a much less used and better condition handbrake than a 50k car of a similar age so I wouldn't use mileage as the measure of the condition of handbrake components.
They either need changing or they don't.

The friction thickness is not a measure of delamination. It will always be very close to the brand new thickness as the handbrake is only used when stationary.
Delamination relates to the bonding of the friction material to the shoe itself so replacing them is never a bad thing.

I'm afraid it's not a question of agreeing to disagree as spending money on an unnecessary component is not something in which I see any merit.
If I was having this discussion with someone who had done the job completely but still felt they needed adjusters, I'd agree to disagree. That isn't the case though.

We're talking millimetres and fractions of when discussing the effectiveness of the cables.
It's nearly 20 years old, it's being removed anyway to change the other cables so I'm perplexed why it wouldn't be changed at that point instead of faffing with adjusters.

A perfect handbrake can be achieved without turning adjusters and sticking screwdrivers into brake discs.
The cost isn't the issue either as I am advocating spending money, only spending it on a component that was in the original design.
Gilding the lily seems to have overtaken the much simpler, doing the job right first time.
Got to agree with above....if you read my earlier post- I replaced cables shoes springs and I ended up with a 1st class hand brake. I've run V70s since 1995...you can try to skimp on the hand brake but in the long run get new bits and the forget about it for another 5 yes or so .
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Old Jul 27th, 2021, 21:14   #24
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I guess we'll just have to leave it there then, at the end of the day you've not got them and your handbrake is perfect, I have got them and my handbrake is perfect.. what's the point losing any sleep on it, my bet is it'll stay there now till scrappy time which is at least 5 years off

I would add though there has been no skimping, all parts are oem with the exception of the Brembo pads and discs, I'm more than happy to spend money that's never an issue
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Old Jul 27th, 2021, 21:33   #25
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I guess we'll just have to leave it there then, at the end of the day you've not got them and your handbrake is perfect, I have got them and my handbrake is perfect.. what's the point losing any sleep on it, my bet is it'll stay there now till scrappy time which is at least 5 years off

I would add though there has been no skimping, all parts are oem with the exception of the Brembo pads and discs, I'm more than happy to spend money that's never an issue
scrapping the thing that sends v70s to the scrap yard is strut towers rusting through dont scrap a volvo someone will keep it going
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Sorry no just in general scrap or part ex pending how much the kids have kicked the crap out of the interior by then lol

Is not really a classic or highly desirable model to be honest, I'd be more concerned to keep a t5 or R on the road

I'd be more than happy to sell it just depends on someone wanting it and my problem would be only one drive way space and residents only permit parking outside, so when I look at something new it'll be a case of get shot of it immediately
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at the end of the day you've not got them and your handbrake is perfect
Yes, which shows they're not necessary.
Had you replaced the short cable too instead of fitting the adjusters to compensate, yours would be the same.

All our P2s are the same and I've made my point for future readers to avoid buying unnecessary parts.
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Old Jul 28th, 2021, 09:28   #28
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That's the benefit of forums I guess, people can read the arguments for and against and decide for themselves if the £13 is worth spending
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That's the benefit of forums I guess, people can read the arguments for and against and decide for themselves if the £13 is worth spending
The £13 is worth spending..... On a new short cable.
If you do that, you don't need to bother with adding adjusters.
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