Seriously?

[Othen]

Originally Posted by Rocinante

If you were looking for a 240. Clean MOT, with no reserve, currently at £2000. (although it's had the same mileage since 2016 as the milometer is broken)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/295135012....c101110.m1982

Originally Posted by Moomoo

I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a “ busy” MOT history.

Straight looking car though.

It hasn't had much preventative maintenance over the past couple of decades, the owners have just let it fail the MoT each year then fixed what was necessary. £2,000 seems plenty for that motor car - it will be interesting to see whether it attracts a second bid (assuming the first one was not by the seller's mate Freddy from the pub).

Another lovely day in paradise.

:-)

[XC90Mk1]

Originally Posted by Othen

Do you think the second-hand motor car bubble may have popped?

:-)

In honesty yes o do. Not that it is applicable here clearly. I have seen 960 royals at £1,000 to £4,000 and I think this was originally at £15,000 or £17,000 based on the fact it’s an S90.

I understand there were no differences between the S90 and 960 and also this £15,000 version had 170,000 miles on the clock.

But the days of silly asking prices may be near to end now?

[Bob 1967]

Cars over 30 years old over here(Ireland) qualify for vintage tax 56 euro PA.
(they still required a NCT(MOT) unless they are pre. 1980. (Yay Me!)
It was quite a business for people to buy cars in the UK ,ship them over and re register as a vintage car.
Pre Brexit there was a lower import tax(VRT) on cars in this tax bracket.
After Brexit import taxes are higher including the dreaded VAT which could be 23% of the value ( value is decided by some nameless civil servant) but not 100% on this.
This would detract all but the hard core importers, who pass it on the the end buyer.

[Othen]

Originally Posted by Bob 1967

Cars over 30 years old over here(Ireland) qualify for vintage tax 56 euro PA.
(they still required a NCT(MOT) unless they are pre. 1980. (Yay Me!)
It was quite a business for people to buy cars in the UK ,ship them over and re register as a vintage car.
Pre Brexit there was a lower import tax(VRT) on cars in this tax bracket.
After Brexit import taxes are higher including the dreaded VAT which could be 23% of the value ( value is decided by some nameless civil servant) but not 100% on this.
This would detract all but the hard core importers, who pass it on the the end buyer.

That is interesting. In the UK cars become MoT exempt on their 40th birthday, and tax free on 1 April following the year in which they turn 40 (nice simple civil service rules).

Motor cars suddenly become rather more valuable when they qualify as historic vehicles.

[BicycleBoy]

Until 1997 in the UK, historic==25 years old.
It was "frozen" in 1997 so only pre 1973 vehicles qualified.

Big two-tier classic car market for next 18 years, those cars that were exempt and those that never would be. Any piece of ****e was worth restoring if '72 or earlier, but lots of good '73-on scrapped because tax too high and £2000 scrappage schemes.

Current historical scheme came into effect in 2014/5 for cars over 40 years old (so, 1974 on).

Those 18 years left a big missing cohort in the mid-late 70's UK classic fleet.

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by BicycleBoy

Until 1997 in the UK, historic==25 years old.
It was "frozen" in 1997 so only pre 1973 vehicles qualified.

Big two-tier classic car market for next 18 years, those cars that were exempt and those that never would be. Any piece of ****e was worth restoring if '72 or earlier, but lots of good '73-on scrapped because tax too high and £2000 scrappage schemes.

Current historical scheme came into effect in 2014/5 for cars over 40 years old (so, 1974 on).

Those 18 years left a big missing cohort in the mid-late 70's UK classic fleet.

Without doubt. I was Series Land Rover hunting around 2009/10 and as you say pre ‘73 was one market, post was another. The silly scrappage schemes wiped out 200 tdi Discoveries, making that engine hens teeth for transplants.

Ho-hum!🧐

[BicycleBoy]

Gangster wheels...
V70 "Needs new windscreen, as has bullet hole"
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284903851370
Now, forensic ballistics isn't my strongest suite, but I'm asking myself if a bullet went in, what happened to it?

Those seats have been nicely valeted.

[Bob 1967]

[QUOTE=BicycleBoy;2839389]Gangster wheels...
V70 "Needs new windscreen, as has bullet hole"
't my strongest suite, but I'm asking myself if a bullet went in, what happened to it?

Looks from the angle , it would have hit the A pillar.
There is no evidence of damage to the pillar trim, so possibly did not penetrate.
Possibly a .22 or a big stone chip.
Seller could possibly trying to add some mystique to his sale.

[Othen]

Originally Posted by BicycleBoy

Until 1997 in the UK, historic==25 years old.
It was "frozen" in 1997 so only pre 1973 vehicles qualified.

Big two-tier classic car market for next 18 years, those cars that were exempt and those that never would be. Any piece of ****e was worth restoring if '72 or earlier, but lots of good '73-on scrapped because tax too high and £2000 scrappage schemes.

Current historical scheme came into effect in 2014/5 for cars over 40 years old (so, 1974 on).

Those 18 years left a big missing cohort in the mid-late 70's UK classic fleet.

I remember the old system BicycleBoy, it seemed more than a little harsh to completely stop it at the time, but I think there was a realisation that it was becoming far too generous. 1950s and 60s motor cars being 25 years old was fine, they were badly built and had little rust protection, so not that many had survived that long anyway. Just imagine if that system had continued unmodified until today: 1997 motor cars would qualify, whole rafts of Vauxhall Vectras, Toyota RAV4s and Nissan Primeras with no historical significance at all.

The current system was well considered, I well remember the consultation period (somewhat bizarrely I recall it grew out of an EU directive), and I think we got it about right this time. 40 years old seems (to me) long enough so that most of the vehicles of little worth will have died of natural causes, but more interesting ones may have survived.

With hindsight (although this is what I thought at the time) abandoning the 25 year old qualification in the 1990s was too drastic, perhaps it should have tapered in stages? I wonder if the current 40 year rule will eventually prove to be too generous - rust protection and general engineering improved a lot in the 80s and 90s, so we may end up with a lot of vehicles qualifying for no MoT and tax but of no great value to posterity. Just a thought.

Alan

[Othen]

[QUOTE=Bob 1967;2839402]

Originally Posted by BicycleBoy

Gangster wheels...
V70 "Needs new windscreen, as has bullet hole"
't my strongest suite, but I'm asking myself if a bullet went in, what happened to it?

Looks from the angle , it would have hit the A pillar.
There is no evidence of damage to the pillar trim, so possibly did not penetrate.
Possibly a .22 or a big stone chip.
Seller could possibly trying to add some mystique to his sale.

… a metaphorical bullet I think: probably a stone, but as you say it adds some mystique to an otherwise mundane motor car.