£3.00 charge to enter ULEZ zone for ALL cars

[JJD1]

Its floating around on the net that Sadiq Khan is bringing in this charge and that will be on top of ANY UlEZ and Congestion if applicable . Does not matter what car . Its to help Transport for london who are bust !

[kiloran]

Awesome, bring it on. Driving privilege needs to end, it's way too cheap and easy to drive in this country.

[Wagon Sailor]

Originally Posted by kiloran

Awesome, bring it on. Driving privilege needs to end, it's way too cheap and easy to drive in this country.

So you'd make freedom of movement available only to the rich?

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by kiloran

Awesome, bring it on. Driving privilege needs to end, it's way too cheap and easy to drive in this country.

Really! For whom?

[kiloran]

Originally Posted by Wagon Sailor

So you'd make freedom of movement available only to the rich?

Movement isn't free. It's really only the last 100 years where people have been freely moving around the country, and the last 50 where the majority have been doing that in private transport. Society sees it as a purely positive thing - live where you want, work where you want, go where you want, see who you want, and do all that when you want. The externalities are huge - car production and storage, fuel production, transport, and storage. As is the opportunity cost - if you didn't run a car could you work less, or spend the money on something else that's more beneficial to you? It's a not insignificant amount - powered private transport is a regressive tax on the poor but seen as essential as a phone contract or entertainment subscriptions. If you're on £10 an hour you're spending on average around 20 hours pay per month (pre-tax) on running a car.

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by kiloran

Movement isn't free. It's really only the last 100 years where people have been freely moving around the country, and the last 50 where the majority have been doing that in private transport. Society sees it as a purely positive thing - live where you want, work where you want, go where you want, see who you want, and do all that when you want. The externalities are huge - car production and storage, fuel production, transport, and storage. As is the opportunity cost - if you didn't run a car could you work less, or spend the money on something else that's more beneficial to you? It's a not insignificant amount - powered private transport is a regressive tax on the poor but seen as essential as a phone contract or entertainment subscriptions. If you're on £10 an hour you're spending on average around 20 hours pay per month (pre-tax) on running a car.

I don't think anyone suggested movement was free! Freedom of movement is something very different.

[kiloran]

Indeed. But there was an assumption in Wagon Sailor's reply that road pricing restricts freedom to the rich, which is what I was responding to.
We've structured society to build reliance on private transport by making public transport so utterly bobbins and expensive/difficult to access. If the proposed charge is indeed going to TfL to improve public transport it seems fair to me.

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by kiloran

Indeed. But there was an assumption in Wagon Sailor's reply that road pricing restricts freedom to the rich, which is what I was responding to.
We've structured society to build reliance on private transport by making public transport so utterly bobbins and expensive/difficult to access. If the proposed charge is indeed going to TfL to improve public transport it seems fair to me.

The problem is , not everyone has the alternative of , on demand public transport.
There isn't a bus stop and tube station easily accessed for a great deal of us!
My car is taxed enough , thank you!

[pinballdave]

Originally Posted by Moomoo

The problem is , not everyone has the alternative of , on demand public transport.
There isn't a bus stop and tube station easily accessed for a great deal of us!
My car is taxed enough , thank you!

I agree that road pricing such as this is not fair if there is no alternative public transport.

But is it not fair that if you're driving into an area that has pretty much the best public transport in the country, you make a small donation for that privilege?

[Moomoo]

Originally Posted by pinballdave

I agree that road pricing such as this is not fair if there is no alternative public transport.

But is it not fair that if you're driving into an area that has pretty much the best public transport in the country, you make a small donation for that privilege?

Yes, I’ll take that!👍