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Old Sep 6th, 2021, 22:21   #21
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stab, thrust, bend, turn around, stab again..
thats the mutual respect as shown above.
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stab, thrust, bend, turn around, stab again..
thats the mutual respect as shown above.
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I'm afraid that you've lost me here, Thomas. Good to hear from you again, BTW. Can I ask which post you are referring to, specifically? I personally thought this was a reasonable, well balanced discussion.

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Waits for cases to flood in of pedestrian / cyclist bump for cash scams.
That happens in China. Saw a clip of a pedestrian just walking out into traffic, the car stops in time a couple of feet to spare, the pedestrian then throws himself theatrically on to the bonnet of the car before sliding off injured. Driver gets out swearing, points to the dash cam, and picks the guy up and pushes him out the way. Shame he didn't get a couple of jabs in!
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According to news reports today, the Highway Code is due to be revised in order to afford greater precedence and protection to more vulnerable road users such as cyclists and pedestrians.
It make no difference. It is already illegal to run over pedestrians and cyclists and has been since cars were invented, so as a matter of simple practicality this new guidance does nothing more than put the prevailing situation in print.
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It make no difference. It is already illegal to run over pedestrians and cyclists and has been since cars were invented, so as a matter of simple practicality this new guidance does nothing more than put the prevailing situation in print.
Thank you, 'Familyman 90', t was both aware of, and agree with that! With respect, though, isn't it stating the obvious, rather?

The issue is, I feel, rather more subtle than you perhaps infer. I'm sure no one sets out to deliberately run down a cyclist, or a pedestrian, for that matter. I know that I don't and I'm equally sure that the driver of the tractor whose trailer was responsible for the death of a cyclist immediately in front of us did not, either.

Nevertheless, a family man in his 60s set out for a ride that fateful Sunday morning and did not return home. That is why I care about this as much as I'm sure you do, but I do not think that statements such as yours above either greatly support the cause or appreciably assist those who may not yet have considered the issue to the depth that you clearly have.

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Thank you, 'Familyman 90', t was both aware of, and agree with that! With respect, though, isn't it stating the obvious, rather?

The issue is, I feel, rather more subtle than you perhaps infer. I'm sure no one sets out to deliberately run down a cyclist, or a pedestrian, for that matter. I know that I don't and I'm equally sure that the driver of the tractor whose trailer was responsible for the death of a cyclist immediately in front of us did not, either.

Nevertheless, a family man in his 60s set out for a ride that fateful Sunday morning and did not return home. That is why I care about this as much as I'm sure you do, but I do not think that statements such as yours above either greatly support the cause or appreciably assist those who may not yet have considered the issue to the depth that you clearly have.

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It is a bit of an axiom John but from what i understand from the new regs (saw them briefly online some time back) it is essentially repeating what we already know. Almost as if those writing it are justifying their existence by rewriting rules.

Not sure on the circumstances of the cyclist you mention being wiped out by the tractors trailer but i can imagine he was cycling between the trailer and verge/kerb to make use of the slipstream effect when the tractor turned and the trailer wiped the cyclist off the road.
If so, he'd obviously been lucky until that point.
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It is surely impossible to legislate against accidents? All the legislations are redundant unless there is a body, in place, to (hate to say it..) police those laws! With some 20,000 police vacancies (just to return us to where we were!) there will rarely be anyone of authority in the vacinity of an offence. Cameras don't work.

Also you cannot legislate against the downright stupid or the dedicated lawless!
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It is a bit of an axiom John but from what i understand from the new regs (saw them briefly online some time back) it is essentially repeating what we already know. Almost as if those writing it are justifying their existence by rewriting rules.

Not sure on the circumstances of the cyclist you mention being wiped out by the tractors trailer but i can imagine he was cycling between the trailer and verge/kerb to make use of the slipstream effect when the tractor turned and the trailer wiped the cyclist off the road.
If so, he'd obviously been lucky until that point.
The cyclist was riding downhill normally and safely, 'L.S.'. The tractor driver attempted an unwise overtake. His large trailer, perhaps due to under inflated tyres or over loading, was swaying like a pendulum, oscilating 18" to either side. An oncoming car caused the driver to pull back prematurely and his trailer struck the cyclist on the shoulder and threw him to the ground. Despite the best efforts of those who stopped to help, he died later that day in the hospital to which he had been airlifted. In the court proceedings that followed, his widow publicly forgave the tractor driver - very generous act on her part.

Neither all cyclists, nor all drivers are inconsiderate or reckless; it is the minority that are who get the majority that are not a bad name. I know emergency workers will see this sort of thing most every day, but this incident affected me deeply.

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It is surely impossible to legislate against accidents? All the legislations are redundant unless there is a body, in place, to (hate to say it..) police those laws! With some 20,000 police vacancies (just to return us to where we were!) there will rarely be anyone of authority in the vacinity of an offence. Cameras don't work.

Also you cannot legislate against the downright stupid or the dedicated lawless!
The big thing is, in most cases there is a cause of the accident. Why are two (or more) vehicles trying to occupy the same piece of tarmac at the same time? Do they know something the rest of us don't about the time-space continuum?

Presumably not so which of those drivers wasn't paying attention to the road and what was happening? Was it a sudden "rogue manoeuvre" by one of the colliding vehicles? If so, why?

Was the vehicle committing the rogue manoeuvre actually trying to change lanes and the other vehicle not letting him in for some unknown reason?

These are just a few of the variables on just one common RTC. There are so many others i could be here until Doomsday typing hypothetical questions about what went wrong. This is where the insurance companies come in and Accident Investigators, whether they are from the local constabulary or just the insurance companies.

The fact remains most accidents are put down to human error. The question that raises is why was that error made? Lack of concentration, experience, knowledge or were they distracted?

There are obviously other situations where even careful, alert driving could not have mitigated the collision. An example i saw on an insurance claim form some 15 ish years ago was the response to the question "What could you have done to prevent the accident?"
The response was "Stayed in bed". Sounds facetious, sarcastic almost but nevertheless it was true. It was a head on collision caused by both vehicles skidding on black ice at a T junction. It wasn't quite a T, can't remember the exact shape of it but the bottom line was neither vehicle could arrest their progress from 5-10mph each and hit head on. Both vehicles airbags deployed, injuring both drivers but no other injuries sustained, except to the vehicles, both written off due to excessive deformation of crumple zones. Both new/near-new as well.

That was beyond human control, it was down to nature overcoming the friction between tyres and road allowing both vehicles to proceed unchecked into the other. Had a similar one myself some 30+ years ago, also both new/near-new vehicles. Driving along a narrow, icy road at 15-20mph (which one PC suggested was too fast for the conditions but as i pointed out, any speed would have been too fast in reality), the back of the car hit some black ice and neatly pirouetted in the road causing a head-on collision with an oncoming car.
The driver of the other car (recently retired) advised the police i was driving at least as, if not more, carefully than her so there was no allegation of dangerous driving on anybodys part, just a mess of insurance to sort out. Also the driver of the other car had a heart condition so wasn't wearing a seatbelt and was taken to hospital for checking but all was good once she settled down.

Bottom line is if all drivers paid attention to the road and actually concentrated on what they were doing, what other people were doing and what was happening in general, there would be much fewer accidents.
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