Brakes: 164: - front calipers same on 164 and 240?

woodturner-fran · Aug 25th, 2010, 22:33

Did a search but didn't find the answer:

I have a 164 with vented discs, 4 cylinder calipers. Would a set from a 240 slip in as replacements?

If not, how hard is it to get seals and recondition the existing ones? Caliper on nsf is heating up and seizing on the disc. Pads are nearly worn out and replacing them might sort out the problem (less travel for the pistons) but still, would like to have the calipers in good condition.

Fran

Audrey Old · Aug 25th, 2010, 22:44

Classicswede answered the very same question in July - the answer was no!

If your brakes are ATE (as they are on my 164s) I was informed only last week that Pastparts from Bury St Edmonds have front caliper ATE brake overhaul kits, so I'm about to order an axles worth. However, my book advises that some cars have good old Girling systems - I wish mine did!

Paul

woodturner-fran · Aug 25th, 2010, 23:32

Thanks for that!! Couldn't find it on search for some reason.

Anyway, now to check out reconditioning kits.

Fran

Lesky · Aug 26th, 2010, 02:10

How can you tell whether you have ATE or Girling brakes?

capt jack · Aug 26th, 2010, 08:29

If they are ATE they will have the ATE logo in the casting of the calipers (I know that mine did on my 1800ES). I don't know about Girling, but I guess if it doesn't say ATE on them assume they are Girling?

Cheers

Jack

classicswede · Aug 26th, 2010, 23:13

Girling usualy have a big G on them.

Sticking calipers are not normaly seals but the pistons that are the problems.

I would suggest sending the pair off for refurb rather than messing about with seals as a tempory only fix. A full recon will last well for you.

You could try a set off SS pistons from Klick but they are expensive.

940_Turbo · Aug 28th, 2010, 11:07

You can tell by the pad pins. ATE pins are knocked in and retained by a sprung collar. Girling pads are straight all the way along their length and are retained by an R clip.

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Originally Posted by Lesky

How can you tell whether you have ATE or Girling brakes?

REGAL 144 · Sep 1st, 2010, 22:31

Thanks 940 Turbo for the simple answer on the different types of caliper, I have usually felt a prat when put on the spot at the Motor Factors when asking for service kits etc.
Cheers Bryan

Aug 25th, 2010, 22:33	#1
woodturner-fran Junior Member Last Online: Jul 8th, 2014 23:46 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kildare	front calipers same on 164 and 240? Did a search but didn't find the answer: I have a 164 with vented discs, 4 cylinder calipers. Would a set from a 240 slip in as replacements? If not, how hard is it to get seals and recondition the existing ones? Caliper on nsf is heating up and seizing on the disc. Pads are nearly worn out and replacing them might sort out the problem (less travel for the pistons) but still, would like to have the calipers in good condition. Fran

Aug 26th, 2010, 02:10	#4
Lesky Member Last Online: Jul 25th, 2015 18:47 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit, MI	How can you tell whether you have ATE or Girling brakes? __________________ Lesky '73 164E

Aug 26th, 2010, 08:29	#5
capt jack VOC Member Last Online: Today 11:13 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Selby, North Yorkshire	Brakes If they are ATE they will have the ATE logo in the casting of the calipers (I know that mine did on my 1800ES). I don't know about Girling, but I guess if it doesn't say ATE on them assume they are Girling? Cheers Jack

Aug 26th, 2010, 23:13	#6
classicswede Trader Volvo in my veins Last Online: Yesterday 20:51 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Anglesey	Girling usualy have a big G on them. Sticking calipers are not normaly seals but the pistons that are the problems. I would suggest sending the pair off for refurb rather than messing about with seals as a tempory only fix. A full recon will last well for you. You could try a set off SS pistons from Klick but they are expensive. __________________ http://www.classicswede.org www.classicswede.co.uk

Sep 1st, 2010, 22:31	#8
REGAL 144 VOC Member Last Online: Nov 1st, 2017 20:48 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Malton,North Yorkshire.	ATE or GIRLING Thanks 940 Turbo for the simple answer on the different types of caliper, I have usually felt a prat when put on the spot at the Motor Factors when asking for service kits etc. Cheers Bryan

Aug 25th, 2010, 22:44	#2
Audrey Old VOC Member Last Online: Jan 26th, 2023 12:19 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lancing	Classicswede answered the very same question in July - the answer was no! If your brakes are ATE (as they are on my 164s) I was informed only last week that Pastparts from Bury St Edmonds have front caliper ATE brake overhaul kits, so I'm about to order an axles worth. However, my book advises that some cars have good old Girling systems - I wish mine did! Paul

Aug 25th, 2010, 23:32	#3
woodturner-fran Junior Member Last Online: Jul 8th, 2014 23:46 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kildare	Thanks for that!! Couldn't find it on search for some reason. Anyway, now to check out reconditioning kits. Fran

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