Hybrid Turbos by Dan Jones. Article No 5 in a Series by Experts in the Industry

[Dan F]

I am not confusing anything, it is a standard configuration of unit, but it is not being used in a standard application.

A 19T is a very large capable turbo and is suited to Volvo engines, (that is why they use them) so off the shelf or not it is a superb upgrade.

Does it matter that a 19T is a standard unit? no it doesn't. It is a higher flowing compressor and it is fitted to the turbine that is effective on T5 motors. I could fit the massive TD05 from the EVO VIII FQ 400 that is an off the shelf Mitsu unit onto my car and it would flow plenty efficiently. It is not a hybrid, but so what.

Hybrid by definition means a mixture, I for one would prefer a pedigree turbo. ;)

Dan.

>>Well, I'll just have to be in breach of the forum rules on
>>this one. Perhaps I could ask if Don could supply interested
>>parties the details of the ignition, fueling, and boost maps
>>of his T5 software, so as not to breach forum rules.
>>
>>Adam.
>
>I believe I have requested at least some of this info a while
>back from Don, and have yet to receive an answer so stop with
>this breach of the rules nonsense Iain, as they don't appear
>to apply/work anyway.
>
>Dan.

Dan,

I think you'll find that the information on Kalmar Union's web site is very scarce indeed regarding any performance increases. There is no information on the TME site either, and on the MTE site there is no 850 information either as well as various other models having chunks of info missing.

Adam.

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>Dan,
>
>I think you'll find that the information on Kalmar Union's web
>site is very scarce indeed regarding any performance
>increases. There is no information on the TME site either, and
>on the MTE site there is no 850 information either as well as
>various other models having chunks of info missing.

Hi Dan,

I think you'll also find that Don has repeatedly said, on these forums, that his website is undergoing re-structuring at the moment which could explain the absence of some data.

In addition, MTE now have exclusive rights to software upgrades and TME are dealing predominantly with hardware, hence, understandably, there's no need for TME to advertise details on ECU upgrades.

Finally, I think you'll also find that on the MTE website, there is indeed info on the 850 series and others, albeit some of it is in Swedish. However it does not take a genius to realise that "270hp / 405Nm" in Swedish miraculously translates to "270hp / 405Nm" in English too (taking 850 T5, stage 1 as an example). For any additional concerns, there's nothing stopping anyone from contacting either MTE or, by going through proper channels, Kalmar Union, who are the UK distributor and you will get sound and honest advice. Afterall, I'm sure we'll all agree that its better to speak to someone and get application specific data and know where you stand, rather than have a fancy all-singing-all- dancing website with performance data which requires a number of caveats.

>Finally, I think you'll also find that on the MTE website,
>there is indeed info on the 850 series and others, albeit some
>of it is in Swedish. However it does not take a genius to
>realise that "270hp / 405Nm" in Swedish miraculously
>translates to "270hp / 405Nm" in English too (taking 850 T5,
>stage 1 as an example).

Stage 1 (using the old starship enterprise universal translator :)) specifies an ECU upgrade together with an exhaust, which costs around £845 (11500 SEK). What are the gains with just the ECU upgrade on it's own?

Adam.

[Dan F]

>Hi Dan,
>
>I think you'll also find that Don has repeatedly said, on
>these forums, that his website is undergoing re-structuring at
>the moment which could explain the absence of some data.

Hi.

All else aside, that is not much of an excuse is it?
Mind you I don't remember being pointed at his website in the first place, he said he would get back to me with the info in a couple of days, but never did. And that was just after the forum rules had been updated too.

All I was saying is that no-one is any better than anyone else in this respect I wasn't trying to play one side off against the other.

Never mind. I am not bothered now, too much else to do in life, know what I mean? :)

Later,
Dan.

[adieu]

>Dan,
>
>I think you'll find that the information on Kalmar Union's web
>site is very scarce indeed regarding any performance
>increases. There is no information on the TME site either, and
>on the MTE site there is no 850 information either as well as
>various other models having chunks of info missing.
>
>Adam.


Adam why must you continally bring Don's work/wesite etc into question at no point was a question relating to Don put to you!

You seem to bring questions about Don into a discussion when asked a question you don't want to answer or feel you cannpt answer. Is this just to try and turn the tables?

Quote" Perhaps I could ask if Don could supply interested parties the details of the ignition, fueling, and boost maps of his T5 software"


Again you question/comment on Don/kalmar Union

Quote"I think you'll find that the information on Kalmar Union's web site is very scarce indeed regarding any performance increases. "

Posting something like this is a complete waste of time and effort. No one wants to hear it.

Also this thread was about HYBRID TURBO'S and has nothing to do with performance figures quoted on anyones site (we've already been there...lol)

Adam can you please try and stick to the thread and not go trying to change the subject or bring anyone else work/personality/car into question.

Still waiting for you to answer my simple Yes/No question I put to you.

Quote "Ok let me word it another way... Is volvotunings so called Hybrid made of a 19T with either parts from a 15 or 16 bolted on?"

Simple question....not asking for any secrets.

I also feel very stongly that people are implying that TT do not know what they are talking about, but this company has been making Hybrids for over 20yrs. They wrote the article in good faith and to supply information to us.

Adam another question for you "how long have VT been making Hybrids? how many years experiance do you have?"

Perhaps I do have an intrest in TT as they supplied my Turbo and did an outstanding job.

Look forward to your answers Adam.

I will shut up now I've said enough. I apoligise if my posts are upsetting or if I ask to many questions.


Regards

Iain

>Adam why must you continally bring Don's work/wesite etc into
>question at no point was a question relating to Don put to
>you!

Am I not allowed to ask questions?

>
>You seem to bring questions about Don into a discussion when
>asked a question you don't want to answer or feel you cannpt
>answer. Is this just to try and turn the tables?

It's used as an analogy.

>
>Quote" Perhaps I could ask if Don could supply interested
>parties the details of the ignition, fueling, and boost maps
>of his T5 software"
>
>
>Again you question/comment on Don/kalmar Union

Already answered that earlier.

>
>Quote"I think you'll find that the information on Kalmar
>Union's web site is very scarce indeed regarding any
>performance increases. "
>
>Posting something like this is a complete waste of time and
>effort. No one wants to hear it.

Well, let's not discuss what is, and what is not, worth hearing! ;) Besides, Ashok did pount out to me that the info was in Swedish. However, you have pointed out to me that web sites should have correct information that's not misleading.

>Adam can you please try and stick to the thread and not go
>trying to change the subject or bring anyone else
>work/personality/car into question.

personality? nope. Work? nope. Car? only yours was briefly mentioned again for the purpose of example only.

>
>Still waiting for you to answer my simple Yes/No question I
>put to you.

And you will continue to wait.

>
>Quote "Ok let me word it another way... Is volvotunings so
>called Hybrid made of a 19T with either parts from a 15 or 16
>bolted on?"
>
>Simple question....not asking for any secrets.

Simple answer - this information will not be disclosed.

>
>I also feel very stongly that people are implying that TT do
>not know what they are talking about, but this company has
>been making Hybrids for over 20yrs. They wrote the article in
>good faith and to supply information to us.
>

People are entitled to their own opinion. TT aren't the only people on this forum with a lot of turbo experience.

>Adam another question for you "how long have VT been making
>Hybrids? how many years experiance do you have?"

As already mentioned, the hybrids are made by our own turbo specialist who has about 20 years experience.


>I will shut up now I've said enough.

:)

>
>Regards
>
>Iain
>

Adam.

[adieu]

>>Adam why must you continally bring Don's work/wesite etc
>into
>>question at no point was a question relating to Don put to
>>you!
>
>Am I not allowed to ask questions?


Surly a question can be made but yours are more to discredit rather than question.

>>You seem to bring questions about Don into a discussion when
>>asked a question you don't want to answer or feel you cannpt
>>answer. Is this just to try and turn the tables?
>
>It's used as an analogy.

Thank you.


>>Quote" Perhaps I could ask if Don could supply interested
>>parties the details of the ignition, fueling, and boost maps
>>of his T5 software"
>>
>>
>>Again you question/comment on Don/kalmar Union
>
>Already answered that earlier.

Thanks again

>>Quote"I think you'll find that the information on Kalmar
>>Union's web site is very scarce indeed regarding any
>>performance increases. "
>>
>>Posting something like this is a complete waste of time and
>>effort. No one wants to hear it.
>
>Well, let's not discuss what is, and what is not, worth
>hearing! ;) Besides, Ashok did pount out to me that the info
>was in Swedish. However, you have pointed out to me that web
>sites should have correct information that's not misleading.

Glad to help

>Adam can you please try and stick to the thread and not go
>>trying to change the subject or bring anyone else
>>work/personality/car into question.
>
>personality? nope. Work? nope. Car? only yours was briefly
>mentioned again for the purpose of example only.

I would be grateful if you did not use my car as an example again as I feel you have no information about it and so cannot comment on said car.


>>
>>Still waiting for you to answer my simple Yes/No question I
>>put to you.
>
>And you will continue to wait.

Fine...says it all really


>>Quote "Ok let me word it another way... Is volvotunings so
>>called Hybrid made of a 19T with either parts from a 15 or
>16
>>bolted on?"
>>
>>Simple question....not asking for any secrets.
>
>Simple answer - this information will not be disclosed.


So since you do not deny the claim then i'll make an educated guess and say:
you have split the 19T into 2, i.e. compressor half and turbine half.
then split the 15G / 16T into 2, and bolted the required parts together.

>>
>>I also feel very stongly that people are implying that TT do
>>not know what they are talking about, but this company has
>>been making Hybrids for over 20yrs. They wrote the article
>in
>>good faith and to supply information to us.
>>
>
>People are entitled to their own opinion. TT aren't the only
>people on this forum with a lot of turbo experience.

So you know more?


>>Adam another question for you "how long have VT been making
>>Hybrids? how many years experiance do you have?"
>
>As already mentioned, the hybrids are made by our own turbo
>specialist who has about 20 years experience.

Maybe they could write an article for us all?

>
>
>>I will shut up now I've said enough.
>
Maybe I won't.

:P


Regards

Iain

[Grizlyadams]

People, you will just have to remember that VT is like the ex soviet union, secretive!!! dont ever ask questions or you will be sent to the gulag ;-)
I can understand the want to keep things to yourself, but its not doing you any favours for future customers, you come across as a very stressed out and rather paranoid guy, calm down, see your doc, take some happy pills :-) and kick a few stones from out that iron curtain ;-) lets all be friends, theres not many of us volvo modding nutters about!

*group hug*

Griz (trying to lighten the mood of the thread a bit, you all need to calm down alot!)