D4 VEA 'check engine' light / EGR fault thread

[RoyMacDonald]

Originally Posted by wimorrison

I guess that there are numerous aspects that you could measure to determine if a vehicle was in a garage being tested or out on the road - the fact remains though that the tests conducted in UK are very different from this conducted in the US and without decomposing the code within the car we will probably never know the real facts and as such we are in the land of conjecture as to whether Volvo 'cheat' or not.

I will worry about this when the car gets old enough for a MOT, by which time it will all have been sorted and forgotten about.

As I've commented before, any engine can pass the simple UK mot emission test. It's the blanket emission test approval that's never tested again that's the issue here.

[andymcp]

I reckon Kev has hit on the big question the tax men in each govt will be interested in - are there hundreds of thousands of under-taxed cars floating round the EU, and if there are then who can they go after for cash? The punters? Unlikely for any politician with an interest in re-election. The manufacturer? Can you imagine the glee with which Greece, the U.K., Spain, Italy, Portugal would knock on VAG's door asking for a few hundred million to knock down the deficit?

Somehow I doubt the rumoured takeover of Red Bull F1 by VAG will be their top priority right now....

[007]

I may be wrong but does this not underpin our thoughts and experiences in that the tighter and tighter emission controls put upon Diesels are literally and practically unachievable ?

This single act may be the start of the end for the good old diesel, every marque is struggling to achieve the controls - I doubt they will be the only emission 'cheats'

VAG have defrauded no one but the tax office, I wish my diesel engine was allowed to run with a little more freedom, rather than the combined EGR & DPF which collectively strangle it.

If I could pay for an end to my EGR woes tomorrow I would do it in a breath (without overtly shredding my warranty).

Please don't get all envio critical on me when the worlds biggest polluters are doing little to kerb their eye watering outputs.

[007]

Originally Posted by Kev78

I've always been a huge VW fan....I'd never buy another.

I would keep you list of 'never buys' open for another week Kev

They will have to modify the cars as the wrath of the various tax agencies and taking back mis-sold cars could no doubt bank them, coupled with individuals now looking at increased VED. I think the option of leaving them in the market place and paying people off will not cut it.

Do we have a handle on how long they have been doing it for and how many vehicles are involved ? - 2 years annual sales exceeds their massive net worth (assets) of $425 Bn

The stock exchanges around the globe will be echoing 'sell' 'sell' 'sell'

[RoyMacDonald]

Originally Posted by andymcp

I reckon Kev has hit on the big question the tax men in each govt will be interested in - are there hundreds of thousands of under-taxed cars floating round the EU, and if there are then who can they go after for cash? The punters? Unlikely for any politician with an interest in re-election. The manufacturer? Can you imagine the glee with which Greece, the U.K., Spain, Italy, Portugal would knock on VAG's door asking for a few hundred million to knock down the deficit?

Somehow I doubt the rumoured takeover of Red Bull F1 by VAG will be their top priority right now....

The Government lets the motor manufacturers test their own engines so I don't see how they can complain about the results after they accept them and set the taxation.

[andymcp]

Originally Posted by RoyMacDonald

The Government lets the motor manufacturers test their own engines so I don't see how they can complain about the results after they accept them and set the taxation.

I doubt they'd let a small detail like that get in the way of giving it a go...at least no taxman I've ever met would give up so easily.

[NigelDay]

Originally Posted by Kev78

Seems they are holding their hands up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ions-data.html

This is a disgrace. Car companies can not be trusted. If they hadn't been caught out this would have gone on for years.

The fact they have designed software to con the test is unacceptable.

I've always been a huge VW fan....I'd never buy another.

I am also saddened by this VAG c0ck-up. Prior to this, my second Volvo, I happily ran three VWs from new to a great mileage. They have some real challenges ahead to restore their credibility, especially as they had recently achieved number one status in volume sales. Some PR firm is going to get serious business from them (and of course they themselves will have to make some serious changes to their strategy and honesty with the motoring and general public). I still say they cannot be the only culprits.

[tem]

Originally Posted by RoyMacDonald

The Government lets the motor manufacturers test their own engines so I don't see how they can complain about the results after they accept them and set the taxation.

My understanding, all new Volvo's entering the UK, a random selection is taken for an independent test to check the emissions.
Volvo warn you that your car could be delayed for delivery, because of this test.
Not sure how many are selected each year?

tem.

[wimorrison]

Originally Posted by NigelDay

I am also saddened by this VAG c0ck-up. Prior to this, my second Volvo, I happily ran three VWs from new to a great mileage. They have some real challenges ahead to restore their credibility, especially as they had recently achieved number one status in volume sales. Some PR firm is going to get serious business from them (and of course they themselves will have to make some serious changes to their strategy and honesty with the motoring and general public). I still say they cannot be the only culprits.

I actually think this will blowover in a few months (if that long) certainly for the general public in the US and here.

Most people don't actually give a toss what comes out the back of the car as long as it gets through MOT and the tax is low.

Sure, the press will try to keep it in th headlines and there will be some lawyers making a lot of money out of it, but for most people - they will get in the car, turn the ignition and drive as normal.

[Kev78]

Originally Posted by wimorrison

I actually think this will blowover in a few months (if that long) certainly for the general public in the US and here.

Most people don't actually give a toss what comes out the back of the car as long as it gets through MOT and the tax is low.

Sure, the press will try to keep it in th headlines and there will be some lawyers making a lot of money out of it, but for most people - they will get in the car, turn the ignition and drive as normal.

I'm not so sure.

This is different to the Toyota brake problem. I can forgive a honest mistake....even if it is dangerous.

But false, fabricated claims are a different thing all together.