Engine: T5: - Relocate Engine? - Page 3

mario850 · Jun 13th, 2009, 15:42

like some one said its far from impossible and it will cost alot and what you will gain isn't much as on of the big draw backs to moving the engine back(the btcc car had it) is when you move the engine back and down you do get better weight ditribution which does help handling throuhg high speed corners but you sacrifice alot of traction of the line as there isn't the weight over the wheels any more plus it also cause's more strain on the drive shafts as they wont be straight and you might find you will eat the to be honest i would leave it where it is and maybe look at ducting air from the front around the engine to the turbo to allow it to stay abit cooler

st5ve · Jun 13th, 2009, 20:10

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Originally Posted by mario850

like some one said its far from impossible and it will cost alot and what you will gain isn't much as on of the big draw backs to moving the engine back(the btcc car had it) is when you move the engine back and down you do get better weight ditribution which does help handling throuhg high speed corners but you sacrifice alot of traction of the line as there isn't the weight over the wheels any more plus it also cause's more strain on the drive shafts as they wont be straight and you might find you will eat the to be honest i would leave it where it is and maybe look at ducting air from the front around the engine to the turbo to allow it to stay abit cooler

All of the projects I have read on 850’s I have never seen the engine moved backed and lowered even with 500bhp plus. Plenty of projects with cosmetic changes and mild to extreme levels of tuning also different types of suspension chassis mods, some projects I have read have had a shed load of weight stripped out of them. So these guys are very serious about the projects they are undertaking and getting the best power out of the car, I am really looking into what would be involved re balance so the car can handle a whole lot better with the power being put on the road.

At the moment my main project is an auto 855 T5 it is only mildly modified this is my first project my second project will be my 855 R manual after that I may consider something a bit more extreme, like yourself at the moment I want a bit of luxury with a car that is a bag of fun and comfortable to drive.

acshortt5 · Jun 13th, 2009, 20:47

Just to throw a random idea in:

why not put some ballast weight in the back of the car? I know it defeats the object of saving weight but could allow for a better balanced car and extra power can always be had via remap etc to compensate for the extra weight.

mole · Jun 14th, 2009, 00:57

You could turn the engine and box around and the best way might be to have another crank and cams made so that the engine turns the other way then you will have 5 forward gears. Or you could leave the engine alone and have the gearbox redone so the diff was on the front then the engine and box would be about 2 feet further back and all of it would be behind the front wheels. Either way would be a massive amount of work though. For a fraction of the work involved you could save a lot of weight up front by replacing many steel parts (hubs, struts, bottom arms, drive shafts and subframe) for alloy ones instead.

Dan. · Jun 15th, 2009, 13:55

Forget moving the engine at the front just add an extra one at the rear to balance it out.... twin T5 power

admitidly still not great for handling but would make it a fun car!

st5ve · Jun 15th, 2009, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Dan.

Forget moving the engine at the front just add an extra one at the rear to balance it out.... twin T5 power

admitidly still not great for handling but would make it a fun car!

LOL the ultimate AWD Volvo!!!

captain sensible · Jul 18th, 2009, 19:49

if you want to cool the intake charge further then consider water/methenol injection

charlotte001 · Jul 18th, 2009, 22:24

I would say you could but you'd have to alter the firewall considerably, Ive seen transverse engine converted to rear wheel drive by the same conversion.

I dont know if you would then have to take it for a SVA test as you would be altering it considerably. Thinking about it if you lowered the exhaust manifold you could the push the engine back further [getting off topic and not what you want to do]

captain sensible · Jul 19th, 2009, 00:16

This is what you need lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b5CnIkpNeU

captain sensible · Jul 19th, 2009, 00:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwTxu-UI43I

thats one big bogey lol

Jun 13th, 2009, 15:42	#21
mario850 Vovlo lover Last Online: Oct 19th, 2016 12:02 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Nottingham	like some one said its far from impossible and it will cost alot and what you will gain isn't much as on of the big draw backs to moving the engine back(the btcc car had it) is when you move the engine back and down you do get better weight ditribution which does help handling throuhg high speed corners but you sacrifice alot of traction of the line as there isn't the weight over the wheels any more plus it also cause's more strain on the drive shafts as they wont be straight and you might find you will eat the to be honest i would leave it where it is and maybe look at ducting air from the front around the engine to the turbo to allow it to stay abit cooler __________________ past-> F reg 245 glt 2.4 past-> M reg 855 glt 2.0 20v past-> 51 S60 2.0t Past-> L Reg 945 2.0 HPT Wentworth.

Jun 13th, 2009, 20:47	#23
acshortt5 Volvo Nutcase Last Online: Jul 14th, 2023 12:57 Join Date: May 2007 Location: N/A View Photos By: acshortt5	Just to throw a random idea in: why not put some ballast weight in the back of the car? I know it defeats the object of saving weight but could allow for a better balanced car and extra power can always be had via remap etc to compensate for the extra weight. __________________ Andrew 1998 S70 T5 CD AUTO Previously a 1990 240 GLT-R

Jul 18th, 2009, 19:49	#27
captain sensible Bitty? Last Online: Jan 3rd, 2017 06:05 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: earth a blue/green planet	if you want to cool the intake charge further then consider water/methenol injection __________________ used to own:95&96 850 t5,Sumex Cone, Bailey DV, Reverse IC, IPD top mount, Ferrita cat back, forge blanking plate, strut brace, drilled/groovy disks, 350cc@3 bar blue tops, lowered, bilstein HD's front and rear.AlanM rear strut brace

Jul 18th, 2009, 22:24	#28
charlotte001 Premier Member Last Online: Jul 26th, 2012 11:13 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: norwich	relocating engine I would say you could but you'd have to alter the firewall considerably, Ive seen transverse engine converted to rear wheel drive by the same conversion. I dont know if you would then have to take it for a SVA test as you would be altering it considerably. Thinking about it if you lowered the exhaust manifold you could the push the engine back further [getting off topic and not what you want to do] __________________ Previous Volvos:850 GLT 2.5 20V Auto Saloon Silver. 1997 850 T-5 Auto Estate Nautic Blue Chipped ECU, V70 TCV, Carbon Cased Filter, 17inch alloys, Rattling Engine masking the suspension rattles. Engine doesn't rattle anymore

Jul 19th, 2009, 00:16	#29
captain sensible Bitty? Last Online: Jan 3rd, 2017 06:05 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: earth a blue/green planet	This is what you need lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b5CnIkpNeU __________________ used to own:95&96 850 t5,Sumex Cone, Bailey DV, Reverse IC, IPD top mount, Ferrita cat back, forge blanking plate, strut brace, drilled/groovy disks, 350cc@3 bar blue tops, lowered, bilstein HD's front and rear.AlanM rear strut brace

Jun 14th, 2009, 00:57	#24
mole Member Last Online: Feb 3rd, 2017 08:15 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Leicester	You could turn the engine and box around and the best way might be to have another crank and cams made so that the engine turns the other way then you will have 5 forward gears. Or you could leave the engine alone and have the gearbox redone so the diff was on the front then the engine and box would be about 2 feet further back and all of it would be behind the front wheels. Either way would be a massive amount of work though. For a fraction of the work involved you could save a lot of weight up front by replacing many steel parts (hubs, struts, bottom arms, drive shafts and subframe) for alloy ones instead.

Jun 15th, 2009, 13:55	#25
Dan. Junior Member Last Online: Apr 14th, 2012 01:32 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Peterborough	Forget moving the engine at the front just add an extra one at the rear to balance it out.... twin T5 power admitidly still not great for handling but would make it a fun car!

Jul 19th, 2009, 00:22	#30
captain sensible Bitty? Last Online: Jan 3rd, 2017 06:05 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: earth a blue/green planet	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwTxu-UI43I thats one big bogey lol __________________ used to own:95&96 850 t5,Sumex Cone, Bailey DV, Reverse IC, IPD top mount, Ferrita cat back, forge blanking plate, strut brace, drilled/groovy disks, 350cc@3 bar blue tops, lowered, bilstein HD's front and rear.AlanM rear strut brace

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