700/900 series Diesel engines?

[940_Turbo]

Remember though that a late 960 V90 shell is significantly heavier than a 940. It is quite incredible how much strengthening Volvo added into those late cars.

Fair play to you and I'll be interested to see your progress. However if you want a RWD diesel estate there are Mercedes E320 CDI and BMW 530D as alternatives. Neither of those are pain free no brainers. As has already been piinted out the Mercedes rusts and the BMW has self destructing swirl flaps. Either will indubitably offer more performance for less fuel than a D24 engined 960.

[peter burton]

had 940se estate for over 5 years and never had such a good workhorse.load it to bursting with heavy tool boxes and all manner of rubbish.never let me down.had v70cd turning circle rubbish,too complicated,too many computers,17 on one car volvo told me,cambelt snapped 7000quid for new engine,ended up lightly top end rebuid 18 out 20 valves bent 900quid lighter.also owned preproduction 760gle volvo hand built for press to try.v6 blue printed pulled like a turbine.getting into diesel 900 obvious turbo lag i thought they were knackered and missed out on what i now know to have been brilliant cars.it is a bit of fun to blow the crap out your exhaust at 5000 revs once in a while to keep it all clean.mine has sweet spot at 90mph cruises all day.i would love all v90 toys interior with diesel engine if anyone wants to make me one very happy to pay them top money for it.true to do airfilter mod.must eliminate cat.just remove and whack out wading and honeycomb do not need for mot and releases engine no end.turbo will spool up lovely.

[doingitsideways]

Originally Posted by peter burton

i would love all v90 toys interior with diesel engine if anyone wants to make me one very happy to pay them top money for it.

If you're serious, I'll see how things go while I'm converting mine and let you know!

Steve

[Diesel-do-nicely]

Originally Posted by doingitsideways

You're not wrong there!

I've got a 940 d24 tic, and it could pull a jumbo jet!

It doesn't seem to matter how much weight you throw in the back of it (I had over 1/2 a ton in it recently) it just keeps on pulling, never really slowing down!

I admit, they're far from the most refined engines in the world, especilly compared do modern common rail stuff, but I think they're good buses.

Over the years I've had:
850 2.5 10v petrol auto
240 2.0 petrol manual
2 x 960 2.5 24v petrols, auto and manual
940 2.4 Diesel manual

I regularly pull around 150kg around with me for my work in the boot, the 240 was FAR too slow for me, the 850 was good, but struggled to return more than 18 mpg, the 960s pulled very well, but fuel economy was awful, especially the auto.

Around town, my d24 returns about 32mpg, and I don't hang about!!

The 2.5 manual 960, gets half that!

Hence why I'm currently planning a d24 conversion on that


At the end of the day, it depends what you're looking for; If you want a strong, rear-wheel-drive car that's good for towing and general load lugging, if a little rough around the edges, you could do a LOT worse than a diesel 940; they roar like a lion, but perform a bit like a pussy-cat.

But if you want a diesel that purrs like a kitten and goes like a cheetah, then they're probably not for you, I'd go for an 850 TDi instead.


All this is just my two penneth worth, and soley based on my personal experience.

HTH, Steve

My pals 7.5 tonne flatbed scaffold lorry threw a rod on the motorway 12 miles from Edinburgh.
I went in the 940 d24tic auto estate with my towing bar (made from one of pauls old scaffolding poles!) , hooked him up and towed him back to his yard.
2 weeks later since the scrap price was at £200 per tonne we towed the lorry once again, empty this time , to the scales at daltons, 3900kg.
The cheeky man exclamed "man bites dog", "what do you mean ?" i asked.
"Normally lorrys like that tow in cars like yours, no the other way round pal"
Later in the pub paul said the way i pulled of from the junctions and roundabouts , was faster than the lorry did itself , when it ran.
These engines with the zf auto box are amazing, when you get a goody like mine, and i have had dozens of them over the last 20 yrs, keep it, cos there are some dog engines, dinny ken why but there just are, but occasionally you do get one thats much faster , less smokey, economical and just goes on and on, I have one for spares that like sideways man, am looking for a 960 exec saloon to drop it in, Good luck , All the best for 2011,

[doingitsideways]

Originally Posted by Diesel-do-nicely

sideways man

Ha ha ha, Love it

Steve

[Vambo]

Originally Posted by Diesel-do-nicely

My pals 7.5 tonne flatbed scaffold lorry threw a rod on the motorway 12 miles from Edinburgh.
I went in the 940 d24tic auto estate with my towing bar (made from one of pauls old scaffolding poles!) , hooked him up and towed him back to his yard.
2 weeks later since the scrap price was at £200 per tonne we towed the lorry once again, empty this time , to the scales at daltons, 3900kg.
The cheeky man exclamed "man bites dog", "what do you mean ?" i asked.
"Normally lorrys like that tow in cars like yours, no the other way round pal"
Later in the pub paul said the way i pulled of from the junctions and roundabouts , was faster than the lorry did itself , when it ran.
These engines with the zf auto box are amazing, when you get a goody like mine, and i have had dozens of them over the last 20 yrs, keep it, cos there are some dog engines, dinny ken why but there just are, but occasionally you do get one thats much faster , less smokey, economical and just goes on and on, I have one for spares that like sideways man, am looking for a 960 exec saloon to drop it in, Good luck , All the best for 2011,

Awsome stuff! as well as the Volvos, i own a 1972 Vauxhall Victor Estate, i plan to put a super pulling diesel in this one day and use it as a tow car!

[Laney760]

Originally Posted by 940_Turbo

Complete piece of junk Volkswagen unit. Personally offered one as a gift I'd impolitely decline. They're stupidly unreliable, laughably thirsty and ridiculously under powered; and those are the qualities I like about them.

Seriously if you're looking for a diesel at that sort of money and age buy a Mercedes C250 (not an early CDI) or pretty much anything other than a 7 or 9 series diesel.

From 1995 datasheet:

2.3 LPT 135 BHP @ 4900 rpm, 170 Lb/Ft @ 2300 rpm, 0-60 in 10.3 sec

2.3 HPT 170BHP @ 5100 rpm, 206 Lb/Ft @ 3800 rpm, 0-60 in 8.7 sec ( re Penybrn post, this is probably figure for B230FTX engine rather than B230FT)

2.4TD 122 BHP @ 4800 rpm, 174 Lb/Ft @ 2400 rpm, 0-60 in 11.6 sec


The 2.4TD and the 2.3 LPT are very similar, so you must also think that the 2.3 LPT is ridiculously underpowered, many would argue with you about that too

[940_Turbo]

Originally Posted by Laneystrider

From 1995 datasheet:

2.3 LPT 135 BHP @ 4900 rpm, 170 Lb/Ft @ 2300 rpm, 0-60 in 10.3 sec

2.3 HPT 170BHP @ 5100 rpm, 206 Lb/Ft @ 3800 rpm, 0-60 in 8.7 sec ( re Penybrn post, this is probably figure for B230FTX engine rather than B230FT)

2.4TD 122 BHP @ 4800 rpm, 174 Lb/Ft @ 2400 rpm, 0-60 in 11.6 sec


The 2.4TD and the 2.3 LPT are very similar, so you must also think that the 2.3 LPT is ridiculously underpowered, many would argue with you about that too

Wow, a diesel engine that struggles to get 30 to gallon, has less power than the petrol engined version and top it all has less torque than the petrol version. How the hell did they manage that; a 2.4 litre turbo diesel without any significant torque?

Where did I put that copy of Autotrader, you've convinced me, I must go out and buy one. To put it in perspective just how bad these things are a Mercedes E300 TD has 175 BHP, and 243 lbft of torque. The official tested combined fuel economy for the Mercedes was 7l/100 km, or 40.35mpg the Volvo was tested at 7.8l/100km or 36.22 mpg (UK gallon both)

[Palmer]

Originally Posted by 940_Turbo

Wow, a diesel engine that struggles to get 30 to gallon, has less power than the petrol engined version and top it all has less torque than the petrol version. How the hell did they manage that; a 2.4 litre turbo diesel without any significant torque?

Where did I put that copy of Autotrader, you've convinced me, I must go out and buy one. To put it in perspective just how bad these things are a Mercedes E300 TD has 175 BHP, and 243 lbft of torque. The official tested combined fuel economy for the Mercedes was 7l/100 km, or 40.35mpg the Volvo was tested at 7.8l/100km or 36.22 mpg (UK gallon both)

The OM606 was a much more modern diesel though, it has multiple computers controlling it not like the D24, and it can be remapped.

[940_Turbo]

Originally Posted by Palmer

The OM606 was a much more modern diesel though, it has multiple computers controlling it not like the D24, and it can be remapped.

The 606 is the last of the non CDI engines, but as you say the pump is controlled by an ECU. The point is though that here is a car that has a lot more power and a lot more torque than the 940 and delivers significantly better fuel economy. I had an E320 CDI and it refused to drop below 39 to the gallon however hard I drove it.

No doubt there are issues with the Mercedes too, chief of which is rust. But they are ridiculously cheap nowadays. A friend of mine bought a very tidy E300TD estate for under a grand a few weeks back. Personally I'd be wary of an early CDI, but the 300TD makes a lot more sense.

There is a load of hog wash being talked. Look at the 7.5 tonne truck story; that diesel has less torque than the petrol turbo car. Not that it especially bothers me, people are perfectly entitled to like diesel engined 940s. However, the simple truth is this; if someone wants a diesel car that is economical and fairly painless to run there are more rational options than plumping for the Volvo VW concoction.