Seriously?

[Burdekin]

Originally Posted by BicycleBoy

Oh dear.
Amazon. £50k spent and it doesn't run good or look good.
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1488183

A guy I know has what I think is the best restomod Amazon in the UK. It is very understated and he spent a lot. It's when you get up close and personal you start to notice the workmanship. Beautiful car and he prefers to use it as his daily rather than his new 911.

[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by BicycleBoy

Oh dear.
Amazon. £50k spent and it doesn't run good or look good.
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1488183

I hate to disillusion him, but the 2.8 Cologne V6 only made 135bhp on carbs, the K-Jet version made 160bhp so where he got his 150bhp from i don't know.
Either way, it seems he's taken the attitude of "Let's find the worst possible mods and do them to this car!".

Someone might like it, i suspect the majority won't!

Originally Posted by BicycleBoy

Lets be honest, if you're going to drop £50k on a madly modded Volvo, this is the sort of bat**** bitza you'll want to end up with:
https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1484480

If you really want batsh!t then this would suit and is ~£47k cheaper!

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1153414

Complete with Dracula in the back!

[Burdekin]

Not sure how you class Dec’s car; GT Amazon restored by Dec with over 2000hrs work gone in. His dad’s Amazon won the world championship concourse category back in the day and fair to say Dec also has that touch. His dedication is on another level. His goal is to have the highest HP normally aspirated B18, it has a 200hp plus stroked Tinus Tuning engine. He’s been doing a few quarter mile days recently. Will be on the Meguiars stand at the NEC in a couple of months if anyone fancies having a look at the car. https://www.facebook.com/dtbclassic

Don’t think he’d sell it cheap. 🤣

[Burdekin]

Originally Posted by Laird Scooby

I hate to disillusion him, but the 2.8 Cologne V6 only made 135bhp on carbs, the K-Jet version made 160bhp so where he got his 150bhp from i don't know.
Either way, it seems he's taken the attitude of "Let's find the worst possible mods and do them to this car!".

Someone might like it, i suspect the majority won't!

Looks like Robert Whitton built that one. https://www.facebook.com/classicvolvospecialist

[Dippydog]

The injected 2.8 Cologne V6 was rated at 160bhp to begin with but for some reason the later 2.8s were dropped back to 150bhp.

[Burdekin]

Originally Posted by Dippydog

The injected 2.8 Cologne V6 was rated at 160bhp to begin with but for some reason the later 2.8s were dropped back to 150bhp.

I've only done one engine swap and that was pre-internet and was a lot of work and headaches. Only do it if there's a lot of gain and dropping a Ford engine in with a carb and only maybe getting 150hp is a poor decision. Building a 150hp B20 is pretty straightforward and much easier. The poor guy is going to struggle to sell it with the mods done. What might seem cool now in a few years will be dated and out of touch. He's spent a lot of money putting on cheap mods as he didn't want to spend the money buying quality. I'd say he's spent a lot on labour rather than on quality and style.

[Moomoo]

Spoiled a potentially good motor!☹️

[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by Dippydog

The injected 2.8 Cologne V6 was rated at 160bhp to begin with but for some reason the later 2.8s were dropped back to 150bhp.

Either way that was with K-Jet and now it's on a carb, it'll be down to the standard 135bhp, maybe 140bhp if he's lucky as something in the back of my mind days the 2.8i V6 was higher compression with a slightly different advance curve to match the K-Jet capabilities - standard jetting on the carb would let it run lean at the top end, a reason Ford may have reduced the 2.8i to 150bhp by tweaking the ignition timing at the top end. I think even the K-Jet struggled to not go lean at the top end of 160bhp on the Cologne lump, possibly poor choice of injectors or some other cost-cutting measure.

Originally Posted by Burdekin

I've only done one engine swap and that was pre-internet and was a lot of work and headaches. Only do it if there's a lot of gain and dropping a Ford engine in with a carb and only maybe getting 150hp is a poor decision. Building a 150hp B20 is pretty straightforward and much easier. The poor guy is going to struggle to sell it with the mods done. What might seem cool now in a few years will be dated and out of touch. He's spent a lot of money putting on cheap mods as he didn't want to spend the money buying quality. I'd say he's spent a lot on labour rather than on quality and style.

I've done a few but most were relatively straight-forward and all pre-internet. Favourite had to be an M Series 16v 2.0 Rover 820 engine into a 2.0 Montego that was a bit rough around the edges. Went like stink, even mid-range as the owner of the porsche 928 discovered when he tried overtaking me on the motorway at ~70mph and became a dim and distant speck in my rear view mirror!

I'd previously had an MG Montego Turbo and my conversion with the 16v lump would massacre that, no wonder Mr Porsche was upset!

However, that was a relatively easy swap, O series and M series bellhousing etc were all the same, i just had to make a bespoke engine mount and sort the ECU (which i never finished doing, long story!) but even on the standard ECU (which went rich above 4000rpm so suited the engine well) it was still blisteringly fast.

To take a "foreign" engine and transplant it into a bodyshell like the Amazon isn't worth the effort IMHO, if you're going to do it, use a modern Volvo engine like the other Amazon you linked to or go all out with a bigger engine, Rover V8 would have come to mind 20 years ago, now it would be Toyota/Lexus 1UZ or maybe the Jaguar/Ford/Mazda V6 in Jaguar configuration but not an ageing Ford engine that wasn't even that powerful when new - a standard B230E on K-Jet would have been a better swap and given about the same power as the Colgone V6. Don't get me wrong, the Colgone lump has many things to recommend it (but not that dubious fibre timing wheel! ) and is an excellent "weapon of choice" to retrofit to Cortinas, Escorrts and even Hyundai Stellars. NOT Volvo Amazons though!

Originally Posted by Moomoo

Spoiled a potentially good motor!☹️

Once again Andrew, economy of words but you've said it all!

[Burdekin]

Originally Posted by Laird Scooby

Either way that was with K-Jet and now it's on a carb, it'll be down to the standard 135bhp, maybe 140bhp if he's lucky as something in the back of my mind days the 2.8i V6 was higher compression with a slightly different advance curve to match the K-Jet capabilities - standard jetting on the carb would let it run lean at the top end, a reason Ford may have reduced the 2.8i to 150bhp by tweaking the ignition timing at the top end. I think even the K-Jet struggled to not go lean at the top end of 160bhp on the Cologne lump, possibly poor choice of injectors or some other cost-cutting measure.





I've done a few but most were relatively straight-forward and all pre-internet. Favourite had to be an M Series 16v 2.0 Rover 820 engine into a 2.0 Montego that was a bit rough around the edges. Went like stink, even mid-range as the owner of the porsche 928 discovered when he tried overtaking me on the motorway at ~70mph and became a dim and distant speck in my rear view mirror!

I'd previously had an MG Montego Turbo and my conversion with the 16v lump would massacre that, no wonder Mr Porsche was upset!

However, that was a relatively easy swap, O series and M series bellhousing etc were all the same, i just had to make a bespoke engine mount and sort the ECU (which i never finished doing, long story!) but even on the standard ECU (which went rich above 4000rpm so suited the engine well) it was still blisteringly fast.

To take a "foreign" engine and transplant it into a bodyshell like the Amazon isn't worth the effort IMHO, if you're going to do it, use a modern Volvo engine like the other Amazon you linked to or go all out with a bigger engine, Rover V8 would have come to mind 20 years ago, now it would be Toyota/Lexus 1UZ or maybe the Jaguar/Ford/Mazda V6 in Jaguar configuration but not an ageing Ford engine that wasn't even that powerful when new - a standard B230E on K-Jet would have been a better swap and given about the same power as the Colgone V6. Don't get me wrong, the Colgone lump has many things to recommend it (but not that dubious fibre timing wheel! ) and is an excellent "weapon of choice" to retrofit to Cortinas, Escorrts and even Hyundai Stellars. NOT Volvo Amazons though!




Once again Andrew, economy of words but you've said it all!

Yes mine was a Holden engine into a Jeep. Seemed like a good idea but everything had to be reworked and sorted. I should have just rebuilt the Ford 2.5l engine.

XC90 V8 crate engine, 315hp but no auxilaries, gearbox, ECU etc. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363737595...99fe%7Ciid%3A1

Engine itself is cheaper than doing a full engine rebuild but much more expensive in the end and much more time. Pull out a B18/20 strip and clean it 1 day, send stuff off for machining and then another couple days to paint, assemble and reinstall.

[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by Burdekin

Yes mine was a Holden engine into a Jeep. Seemed like a good idea but everything had to be reworked and sorted. I should have just rebuilt the Ford 2.5l engine.

XC90 V8 crate engine, 315hp but no auxilaries, gearbox, ECU etc. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363737595...99fe%7Ciid%3A1

Engine itself is cheaper than doing a full engine rebuild but much more expensive in the end and much more time. Pull out a B18/20 strip and clean it 1 day, send stuff off for machining and then another couple days to paint, assemble and reinstall.

Must have been quite an old Jeep with a Ford engine? I was under the impression later models had the AMC 4-pot 2.5L petrol which then had 2 more pots grafted on to create the straight 6 4.0 AMC lump like i had in my Cherokee.
I know about the same time as my Cherokee was bilt they also added the Verona Motorri (VM) diseasel to the range, as also used in Range Rovers, Alfa Romeos, Rover 800s and a few others in various states of tune, with and without turbos.

The XC90/S80 V8 would go nicely in my 760 i reckon