XC90 High Miles - Would You?

[sk546]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

I never mentioned 4 pot, unless you mean the petrol's? Probably not built the same as they used to be, but what is nowadays? The original poster said he wants a 5 cylinder diesel and he only does 7k per year. That alone, unless the 7k is purely motorway driving, is asking for trouble in any diesel vehicle, hence why I suggest petrol based on his low mileage. As much as he may be set on an XC90, I fear doing that mileage will cause more problems than good if buying a diesel.

What 4 cylinder?

Volvo did away with the D5 being a 5-cylinder engine with the introduction of the SPA cars in 2015, since then, all engines are only a 2 litre 4 cylinder unit. The engine designation (D2, D3, D4, D5, T3, T4, T5, T6 & T8) only refer to different power outputs and forced induction levels.

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by sk546

Volvo did away with the D5 being a 5-cylinder engine with the introduction of the SPA cars in 2015, since then, all engines are only a 2 litre 4 cylinder unit. The engine designation (D2, D3, D4, D5, T3, T4, T5, T6 & T8) only refer to different power outputs and forced induction levels.

I wasn't aware that the newer SPA vehicles badged "D5" weren't true 5 cylinder engines... thanks for confirming that. I'll make sure to check when looking at newer models! Apologies to anyone for the confusion.

Even still, 7k per annum doesn't justify a diesel vehicle in my honest opinion, but hey, people can buy what they want I suppose.

Originally Posted by James77

Not convinced by that 4 pot pulling a c2 tonne barn door is not a recipe for longevity large SUV should really have a 6 pot or 5 minimum the engines are highly strung we've read about failures at higher miles I don't think this generation of motors is destined for intergalactic mileage like Volvos of old.

Now I've found out that a D5 isn't a 5 cylinder on the newer SPA cars, I agree. It seems an awful lot of car to me to have a 4 cylinder engine. They don't look slow on paper, but 222bhp doesn't seem much all the same in a car that weighs 2.7 tonne plus fully loaded.

[Philip Fisher]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

I wasn't aware that the newer SPA vehicles badged "D5" weren't true 5 cylinder engines... thanks for confirming that. I'll make sure to check when looking at newer models! Apologies to anyone for the confusion.

Even still, 7k per annum doesn't justify a diesel vehicle in my honest opinion, but hey, people can buy what they want I suppose.



Now I've found out that a D5 isn't a 5 cylinder on the newer SPA cars, I agree. It seems an awful lot of car to me to have a 4 cylinder engine. They don't look slow on paper, but 222bhp doesn't seem much all the same in a car that weighs 2.7 tonne plus fully loaded.

And my T8 doesn't have an 8 cylinder engine either, and the numerous V40 D2s which have been on the road for at least 10 years are not 2 cylinder either.

[thegrey]

Interesting food for thought!

I do like the idea of more grunt with the T6 but I’ll be doing a regular trip a couple of times a month from London to North Wales so more MPG in the D5 seems like a plus.

Watch this space! 😁

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by Philip Fisher

And my T8 doesn't have an 8 cylinder engine either, and the numerous V40 D2s which have been on the road for at least 10 years are not 2 cylinder either.

Cheers for clarifying what I already knew about the T8's and D2's. I've known about the D2's for at least ten years and I'm well aware that T8's don't have 8 cylinder engines.

The confusion was with the newer SPA cars badged as D5, not the other engines. I'm now aware that Volvo don't make a 5 cylinder engine anymore. My car is from the previous generation where 5 cylinders were popular.

[Philip Fisher]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

Cheers for clarifying what I already knew about the T8's and D2's. I've known about the D2's for at least ten years and I'm well aware that T8's don't have 8 cylinder engines.

The confusion was with the newer SPA cars badged as D5, not the other engines. I'm now aware that Volvo don't make a 5 cylinder engine anymore. My car is from the previous generation where 5 cylinders were popular.

Sure, we all have holes in our knowledge.

The point I was making is that D2, D3,T3, T8, D5 have been purely engine output designations now for well over 10 years. The D5 meaning a Diesel 5 cylinder is long gone.

I was taking the p15s yes, but relatively gently 😀

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by Philip Fisher

Sure, we all have holes in our knowledge.

The point I was making is that D2, D3,T3, T8, D5 have been purely engine output designations now for well over 10 years. The D5 meaning a Diesel 5 cylinder is long gone.

I was taking the p15s yes, but relatively gently 😀

Yep, its fine. No harm done.

I knew the newer SPA D2's and D3's had 4 cylinder engines, but I still thought they made a true 5 cylinder D5... I was mistaken.

Thanks to here, I'm now aware that they don't and I'll keep it in mind for future. Although, there's not really any option only buy a 4 cylinder with different power outputs.

[neilgorin]

Originally Posted by Philip Fisher

Sure, we all have holes in our knowledge.

The point I was making is that D2, D3,T3, T8, D5 have been purely engine output designations now for well over 10 years. The D5 meaning a Diesel 5 cylinder is long gone.

I was taking the p15s yes, but relatively gently 😀

I think it was always output. If you look at say a 2011 V70, the D3, D4 and D5 are all 5 cylinder, the D3 and D4 are 2.0L and the D5 2.4L, but all three are five pots.

[vonRypp]

Originally Posted by neilgorin

I think it was always output. If you look at say a 2011 V70, the D3, D4 and D5 are all 5 cylinder, the D3 and D4 are 2.0L and the D5 2.4L, but all three are five pots.

Originally, the 'D' and 'T' prefixes were only for the top of the line engines of 5 and 6 cylinders respectively (only T6 and D5 were available), the weaker ones were called by their displacement, e.g. 2.4, etc, regardless of the number of cylinders.

Then they changed this to D#, T# and eventually B# only. Where the numbers were just plain performance levels as you also highlighted.

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by neilgorin

I think it was always output. If you look at say a 2011 V70, the D3, D4 and D5 are all 5 cylinder, the D3 and D4 are 2.0L and the D5 2.4L, but all three are five pots.

Not always. Pre-SPA platform release (2014 I think**), you could buy a D3 with a 5 cylinder engine for example. So older cars (older than 2014) badged D3, D4 and D5 cars have 5 pot engines.

However, when the SPA platform was released (2014 onwards), there are no 5 cylinder engines and all the variations like D2, D3 and D4 are purely power output based with new (at the time) 4 cylinder engines known as VEA's. A badged D5 in an SPA platform car (after 2014) isn't a 5 cylinder engine. It has a 4 cylinder VEA engine.

**I think 2014 was the release year of the SPA platform, could be 2015.