Amsoil Products Discounts to VOC Members

[IC]

Amsoil are pleased to offer a 10% discount to VOC Members.
1)They will pay the postage if the total including discounts comes to more than £100.
2)The price is the cost price as per their very good deal with ANC, members are welcome to collect from Oxford (jtn 7 M40) or Hounslow by Heathrow.
3) Amsoil are the Sole UK Importer and will beat anyone elses price on their products.
4) Amsoil can take your money electronically on the link below.
Here's the Link http://www.performanceoilsltd.co.uk/

Some members have been using their products for some time but they have only had a web site up and running this year. They previously concentrated on supplying trade customers but will now supply club members and can take payment via pay pal etc etc. They honestly believe this stuff to be the very best (as do independant tests) they are not tied to Amsoil and also stock some Redline Torquo ZX1 etc products but Amsoil is thought as the best by some.

[A- W]

Thanks for the link Ian.

Just one question, as I have never bought oil for a mechanic to change, how much would be advisable on my S60?

[amsoil]

Originally Posted by A- W

Thanks for the link Ian.

Just one question, as I have never bought oil for a mechanic to change, how much would be advisable on my S60?

non turbo
1st choice Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil
2nd choice SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
3rd choice SAE 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

Automatic Transmission,AW50AWD.....TIV
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Automatic Transmission,AW55-50SN.....TIV
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid

Engine, with filter..........5.5 liters[1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill..........8.0 liters
Automatic Transmission, AW55-50SN Initial Fill..........3.0 liters[2]
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill..........7.5 liters
Manual Transmission, M56 TRANS..........2.1 liters

Turbo
1st choice Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil
2nd choice SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
3rd choice SAE 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

Automatic Transmission,AW50AWD.....TIV
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Automatic Transmission,AW55-50SN.....TIV
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid

Engine, with filter..........5.8 liters[1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill..........8.0 liters
Automatic Transmission, AW55-50SN Initial Fill..........3.0 liters[2]
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill..........7.5 liters
Manual Transmission, M56 TRANS..........2.1 liters

The above is a guide ; do check your owners manual.

[A- W]

Sorry been miles away.

It is a 2004 D5 SE. Just hitting 68k.

So around 16/17 litres then? What would I expect to pay for the good stuff?
Would it be changed still annually?
How much would you expect a garage to 'knock off' the £175 + VAT service fee if I brouught my own oil to the party presuming they accept me bringing it along.

[Pete_L]

Thanks for the info amsoil. One question what's the difference between the two auto trans oils and which should I use in my 850 GLT non turbo? Well ok that's 2 questions, sorry.

Pete

[amsoil]

Originally Posted by Pete_L

Thanks for the info amsoil. One question what's the difference between the two auto trans oils and which should I use in my 850 GLT non turbo? Well ok that's 2 questions, sorry.

Pete

The Amsoil synthetic ATF is the one for cars The Amsoil ATD Torque Drive although suitable and exceeding the required spec was designed with larger vehicles and trucks in mind. The cost difference is negligable.
Hope this assists

[amsoil]

Originally Posted by A- W

Sorry been miles away.

It is a 2004 D5 SE. Just hitting 68k.

So around 16/17 litres then? What would I expect to pay for the good stuff?
Would it be changed still annually?
How much would you expect a garage to 'knock off' the £175 + VAT service fee if I brouught my own oil to the party presuming they accept me bringing it along.

Garages are actually having a hard time and need to make money wherever they can. Oil is one place. It is rare for a garage to use a very good quality oil as the price they quote would have to be higher and they would loose custom to other struggling garages who quote lower with cheap oil. The mark up on oil and filter will be high. As a result you may not be getting quite what you think you are paying for which is why people are now taking in their own oil. Perhaps the garage will knock £40 off the price which will give you an idea.
With oil you generally get what you pay for. The Multi National have huge advertising costs which have to be passed on to you the customer. which can reduce what you get for your hard earned. On the flip side occasionally companies like Mobil will 'dump' old spec oil to Cost Co or the like when the label or mix is changed. If you are in luck this can be a real bargain. viz £25 for 5L of good synthetic.
Expect to pay double this otherwise.
Mineral oil does work fine but has its drawbacks. People rave that if it meets the Volvo spec it is fine etc etc. What Volvo are saying is that if it doesn't even meet this low standard then they wont even stand by the warranty period! Remember all oils degrade with use, in general the cheaper the oil the quicker it will degrade and sooner it will need changing. It is therefore totally false economy to pay half the price of a top synthetic for a mineral oil that will be changed perhaps 4 times more often. The opposite is also true; there is little point in buying a top synthetic to change it after 4,000 miles. A further factor to add in is that if you pay for someone to change your oils this should be added to the cost; if you have an oil that will last twice as long then this cost is clearly half. (never mind the time and trouble). There are synthetic oils out there that are advertised to do 18,000miles , 25,000 miles and even 35,000 miles; in the modern world of litigation you can guarantee that they will too.
Further considerations are that you might really need a high spec oil to resist the high temp breakdown a turbo causes. With winter upon us a low 1st number ie 0w-30 or 5w-30 will ease starting as it means the oil is relatively thin at cold. This could save you the cost of a new battery and will make the warm up period shorter and more economical. A real synthetic, Amsoil, Motul, Redline etc (not halfrauds please) will have a greater film strength as a thinner 30 grade than will any mineral 40 weight oil (this is the 2nd number) You can therefore run the thinner 0w-30 or 5w-30 in a synthetic rather than perhaps a 10w-40 in a mineral oil with the advantages of better starting better protection plus a little bit more power (because less power is consumed pumping and spinning through it) and better fuel economy (2 - 8% we are told by testers) Emissions can also be reduced)
At the end of the day you pays your money and you makes your choice.... Just make sure that you know what you are getting and that you are getting what you pay for.

gsf are selling total quartz 5-40 full synthetic for around twenty quid for 5 litres at the moment which compared to some prices seems rather a good deal http://www.gsfcarparts.com/ no doubt some "expert" will be wheeled out shortly to rubbish it but the API spec seems more than adequate to me http://www.total.co.in/lub/lubroot.n...256EF3004DB954&

[hmsggg]

Originally Posted by amsoil

non turbo
1st choice Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil
2nd choice SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
3rd choice SAE 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

Automatic Transmission,AW50AWD.....TIV
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Automatic Transmission,AW55-50SN.....TIV
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid

Engine, with filter..........5.5 liters[1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill..........8.0 liters
Automatic Transmission, AW55-50SN Initial Fill..........3.0 liters[2]
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill..........7.5 liters
Manual Transmission, M56 TRANS..........2.1 liters

Turbo
1st choice Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil
2nd choice SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
3rd choice SAE 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

Automatic Transmission,AW50AWD.....TIV
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Automatic Transmission,AW55-50SN.....TIV
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid

Engine, with filter..........5.8 liters[1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill..........8.0 liters
Automatic Transmission, AW55-50SN Initial Fill..........3.0 liters[2]
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill..........7.5 liters
Manual Transmission, M56 TRANS..........2.1 liters

The above is a guide ; do check your owners manual.

Got this of american volvo forum I have read all the threads and the oil below is the one to use.

Benny,
Okay on your say so we submit, the fluid is synthetic.

Heresay and not correct at all. If you live in Clawson, then you work for Suburban Volvo. I can tell you that the part no. of the trans fluid was given to their service department by moi. They ALL said it's not synthetic, but shrugged their shoulders in explaining why it cost $18 a quart. Even the bottle from the Dealers doesn't say it's synthetic. Aisin Warner requires JWS 3309 oil spec fluid for that trans. And it's NOT a synthetic fluid.
What you say in no way shape or form trumps 3 forums who 99% say Mobil 3309 and Volvo trans fluid is one in the same. It's not special and it's not synthetic. No literature exists from Volvo or Mobil to say it's synthetic. None. It's an old wives tale to substantiate the inflated pricing from the Stealerships.

The forums is for education and learning. We have all learned it is Mobil 3309 and NOT synthetic.
Your comment "i have access to all volvo info and technical support" implies that you can find this information. Go ahead and find it then. Find me one shred of evidence that say the Volvo Fluid is synthetic and this has to come from Volvo. Or, rather, find me the source of the Volvo fluid and have them quote that's it's synthetic. You can't provide that. So how do you know so well that's it's synthetic? You absolutely do not know that. You only over heard it and repeated it like it was gospel...
NEW DEALER STOCK, VOLVO TRANSMISSION FLUID - AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. A MINERAL OIL SUITABLE FOR AW55-50SN AND AW50-42LE. THE OIL PROVIDES AN EASY GEAR CHANGE AT LOW TEMPERATURES AND OPTIMUM PROTECTION AT HIGH TEMPERATURES.
IMPORTANT: THE OIL IS NOT TESTED OR SPECIFIED UNDER STANDARDS OTHER THAN THOSE INDICATED IN THIS LISTING. IN ORDER TO SPECIFY THE CORRECT OIL FOR THE CAR, ALWAYS CHECK THE OWNER'S MANUAL FOR THE CAR
TECHNICAL DATA:
DENSITY: 870 Kg/ cu M
BASE: MINERAL OIL
LOWEST FLOW POINT: -65.2F
FLASH POINT: 388F
VISCOSITY @ 104F: 40 sq mm/sec
VISCOSITY @ 212F: 7.5 sq mm/sec
VOLVO PART NUMBER 1161640.

This is the Manual trans fluid data sheet
NEW DEALER STOCK, VOLVO TRANSMISSION FLUID - SYNTHETIC. A MULTIGRADE SYNTHETIC OIL INTENDED FOR MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS IN PASSENGER CARS. THE OIL HAS VERY GOOD LOW TEMPERATURE PROPERTIES AND ENABLES SMOOTH GEAR CHANGES DOWN TO -40F.THE LOW FRICTION CONTRIBUTES TO LOW FUEL CONSUMPTION. RECOMMENDED FOR ENGINES SUCH AS M56, M58, M90 AND M5M52. THE FLUID HAS BEEN SPECIALLY DEVELOPED FOR THESE TRANSMISSIONS AND HAS NO EQUAL ON THE MARKET. IT OFFERS VERY GOOD GEAR CHANGING AND LOW TEMPERATURE PERFORMANCE.
IMPORTANT: THE OIL IS NOT TESTED OR SPECIFIED UNDER STANDARDS OTHER THAN THOSE INDICATED IN THIS LISTING. IN ORDER TO SPECIFY THE CORRECT OIL FOR THE CAR, ALWAYS CHECK THE OWNER'S MANUAL FOR THE CAR
TECHNICAL DATA:
QUALITY: API GL-4, VOLVO STD. 97308, 10; SAE 5W - 30, (SAE 75W)
DENSITY: 890 Kg/ cu M
BASE: SYNTHETIC
LOWEST FLOW POINT: -54.4F
FLASH POINT: 453F
VISCOSITY @ 104F: NE
VISCOSITY @ 212F: 10.5 sq mm/sec
VOLVO PART NUMBER 1161645.

[RoyMacDonald]

Just a caution about USA claims that an oil is a synthetic, since the big oil companies won the court case they are alowed to label refined mineral oil as synthetic.

Oil sold in Europe must still be correctly identified though.