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mentepazza

Feb 25th, 2020 20:06

245L 1975, let’s start dancing!

Hi folks, my red 240 never gives me problem and I had to find a project car to get busy :)
Here is the project car in need of full restoration. It’ going to take a while but I am sure it will worth the effort and the money in the end.
One owner from new. 1975, B20 engine 1 strongberg carb.
https://i.postimg.cc/DZPGLFv2/70-FE0...2-ABACA182.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/FzPJCZk8/71019-...FBDBE43-ED.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/76k75bys/B6-A6-...4-DAAB41-B.jpg

Bugjam1999

Feb 25th, 2020 22:18

Very cool! A very rare car - looking forward to updates.

Doesn’t look in too bad shape from the photos...

Cheers

Othen

Feb 26th, 2020 05:50

That is a very nice car.
Alan

loki_the_glt

Feb 26th, 2020 08:21

I didn't know that the B20 was fitted to European cars; I was under the impression that the B20 OHV unit was North-America only while the SOHC B21 slant-4 was the European-market engine.

Any chance of some under-bonnet shots please?

c1800

Feb 26th, 2020 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by loki_the_glt (Post 2604065)

Apparently in 1975 some 240’s were fitted with B20’s in Europe. North America only received B21’s in 1975.

mentepazza

Feb 26th, 2020 21:57

Hi folks, work in progress and more photos.
Car sat over the last 10 Years in a garage. The owner looked after the car very well during his ownership. Not too many miles, 230.000.
Help, suggestions, ideas of upgrades are welcome.
At the moment I can only think of 2 Hella additional lights and roof rack (metal+wooden as per original accessories list).
Interior is in mint condition, photos coming soon...
Priority now is to open the engine. Looks nice, clean and dry at the moment.
Next is to work on the body, no dents anywhere. No rust. Any particular rust issue with this first serie?
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loki_the_glt

Feb 27th, 2020 08:41

Check the tailgate - the bottom rots and the panels you can't see behind the bumper are also prone to rust but a generous coating of rust-killer/prevention will stave it off. The tailgate wiring looms are vulnerable but there are plenty of threads covering fixes and replacement on the forum.

The carb is a pre-emissions one so you can adjust it easily. Interestingly, it should have an SU HIF-6 carb rather than the Stromberg; for the correct carb a "BCJ" needle is recommended. The Stromberg should have a "B1 ED" though that's for a B21A. If you can source the SU I'd be tempted to fit that, not least because it's common to lots of BMC/BL cars as well.

Look for an early, yellow-orange cover Haynes manual - ISBN 085696591X - as this has a section covering the B20 engine.

I'm not sure about the legality of the front indicator lenses; you could either fit orange bulbs into the holders or source UK-spec lenses if they prove to be a Con-and-Use issue. The car's MoT-exempt so putting it in for an MoT is purely voluntary.

Auxiliary lamps - Hella did a conversion grille with a set of driving lamps back in the late 1970s for the early cars but I suspect there aren't any available anywhere. (At which point someone on here will announce that "[I] have one".)

The headlmaps are standard 7" round lamps so sourcing RHD ones again shouldn't be a problem.

Look at "Othen's" Royal Barge thread for inspiration and keep on with the refurb.

Dastardly Diesel

Feb 27th, 2020 09:28

Superb. Yes, ensure you re-register it as a historic vehicle and you're MOT free.

Looking forward to the updates on this one,

Paul240480

Feb 27th, 2020 10:28

Looks like you’ve bagged a gooden there. Have fun and looking forward to more updates.

mentepazza

Feb 27th, 2020 10:52

Thanks Loki and Dastardly. Had a look at the rust point you were suggesting.
Surprisingly there is no rust at all. The owner wax oiled the car every Year and kept it clean from salt and dirt. I ll take his words for real considering no rust showing.
About the carb I need to find more info because outside the Uk b20 is not unusual to work with stromberg carb.
Car is LHD and needs to be re-registered in the UK. Hopefully I ll do it before the e end of the Year.
Front indicators I don’t think they are original. I like more the white/orange indicator and I think it is the original setup.
https://i.postimg.cc/k5rRHDDJ/F02039...50-B22-ABC.jpg
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mentepazza

Feb 27th, 2020 18:24

More for you guys!

https://i.postimg.cc/nLHMcnFx/81-C9-...5-D2-ADB21.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/QM0CFvCT/BB8-C3...32361-CF29.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/SsPKr8WQ/E83-E0...-FA8-CAC15.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/nzrzBT9w/F8-E81...-E54-AE927.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/6pxygdFy/FD15-E...717-C33-E3.jpg

classicswede

Feb 27th, 2020 21:45

Looks like a very good body.

The engine and car are the same as you would find in a 1974 140 with B20A engine

Indicators clear/orange is original. The clears are aftermarket. Bear in mind there are two versions of front lights, 2 and 3 screw fixing.
On the age car you have there should be a chrome trim going around the light that looks to be missing

Othen

Feb 27th, 2020 21:49

Excellent.
I suppose that in order to register the car it will need a SVA inspection, or you might get away with just a MoT? After the first one you should not need another MoT. Once you have an age related registration from DVLA you should be able to change its class to historic and (hopefully) just pay one month’s tax.
Well done, the car is lovely.
Alan

loki_the_glt

Feb 28th, 2020 08:48

More musings...

A couple of further thoughts.

The B20 makes sense for the Italian market as the tax on cars with 2-litre plus engines was horrendous - Ferrari offered a 208GTB/GTS in the domestic market for that very reason so Volvo would have fitted the B20 for the same reason.

The clear indicator lenses are PROBABLY correct; I can remember seeing a lot of Italian-registered cars in Glasgow in the 1970s with clear front indicators (Fiat 124s, 125s and even a couple of 500s!). Similarly the orange button repeaters would have been required for the Italian market.

As has been noted, the B20 came from the 140 so it might be worth looking on that section for tips, hints and parts.

I assume that it originally had some form of driving/spot/fog light fitted above the front bumper as there are 2 grommets visible in the head-on shots?

classicswede

Feb 28th, 2020 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Othen (Post 2604590)

No all very simple just a normal MOT and it can be registered as it is a Euro market car

mentepazza

Mar 6th, 2020 17:13

mentepazza

Mar 8th, 2020 10:12

classicswede

Mar 8th, 2020 16:33

Not sure why they have the overload springs and also fitted some rubbers into the main spring

loki_the_glt

Mar 8th, 2020 18:33

There's an intriguing collection of other Volvo Vagens in some of the shots - the 945 with the fancy graphics and light-bar and a 245GLT(? - it's on Virgos) plus various FWD models.

Stephen Edwin

Mar 8th, 2020 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicswede (Post 2607951)

Not sure why they have the overload springs and also fitted some rubbers into the main spring

Sounds simple. Belt and braces?

.

mentepazza

Mar 8th, 2020 21:04

Not sure about overload springs and rubeer between springs. It would be interesting to get more info. Never seen overload spring before.

The 945 is the rare 2.0 16v turbo.

The 240 with Virgo is 1983 Turbo!

There are a couple of 850 R and a 240 D6

This is probably the best volvo mechanic in Italy. Marco Nivoli.

classicswede

Mar 8th, 2020 22:33

The overload springs are more or less the same as these

https://www.classicswede.co.uk/Auxil..._19957913.aspx

Perhaps the springs were rattling or maybe still not stiff enough?

mentepazza

Mar 9th, 2020 22:42

And guess what incredible present ai just got to the 245...
https://i.postimg.cc/wBBqMCMz/31301-...D42-F0-FB2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ5snFtn/608-D7...58-ECCB145.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XYkqpKgf/75-C3-...A807-A2-D3.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/sgr1jH5f/E8-BCD...8-B22-EF15.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Kzkmrtts/F89-FE...034-A801-C.jpg

geoffo

Mar 9th, 2020 22:46

Less is more

Quote:

Originally Posted by loki_the_glt (Post 2607984)

There's an intriguing collection of other Volvo Vagens in some of the shots - the 945 with the fancy graphics and light-bar and a 245GLT(? - it's on Virgos) plus various FWD models.

You can never have enough Volvo’s.........cool project

Jazbee

Mar 14th, 2020 21:01

Fantastic car and pics, will keep tabs on how it all goes, all the best! :cool:

mentepazza

Mar 19th, 2020 14:51

Thanks folks!
Another little update:

https://i.postimg.cc/d3FbrFfr/17-DF7...8-E8275434.jpg

skidje

Mar 27th, 2020 15:01

You are aware the engine has the very much desirable bellhouse which people pay lot of money for to fit a strong OD behind any B20 of older volvo's.

Nice estate. If you give up and it's for sale than let me pick up (asuming your in Glasgow UK)

mentepazza

Mar 27th, 2020 22:06

Hi mate, have no idea what you are talking about!
Please enlighten me :)
And Yes I am in Glasgow!

skidje

Mar 28th, 2020 05:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by mentepazza (Post 2613925)

Hi mate, have no idea what you are talking about!
Please enlighten me :)
And Yes I am in Glasgow!

The B20 engine was common in 74-75 in 240s. All over europe.
This one has the M45 gearbox fitted which also makes the M46-47 fit to this clutchhousing. Therefore interesting for Amazon and 140 owners to upgrade to a stronger gearbox.

Btw.. never seen this bracket for the pas-pump.

Are you going to refit this engine or will the car be equipped with more ponies (B230FT/-K)

mentepazza

Mar 30th, 2020 09:59

I get it now. I should consider myself lucky for future upgrades :)
This is meant to be a clean restoration. Only contemporary accessories.
The idea is: roof rack (I have it) thermometer (found last week) and big round lights (Hella/Bosch) on the front bumper (if anybody has got 2 please let me know!!!), rear bumper fog light (if you have one let me know!!!).
Any other contemporary accessories ideas are welcome!

https://i.postimg.cc/DZDDp0hK/Screen...t-10-40-13.png

https://i.postimg.cc/9Qpk5J2b/Screen...t-10-40-26.png

skidje

Mar 30th, 2020 10:04

nice option this thermometer. Always thought that only rpm sensors w're fitted in the centre of the instrument cluster.

Will keep an eye on this nice project of yours.

mentepazza

Apr 15th, 2020 16:21

Othen

Apr 15th, 2020 16:29

Nearly done then :-)

Alan

Paul240480

Apr 15th, 2020 16:30

Wow, awesome progress. Thumbs up!

Stephen Edwin

Apr 15th, 2020 16:51

Thank you for the ongoing informative photographs. Kushtie. :)

mentepazza

Apr 15th, 2020 19:12

This 245L has got the 4 manual box.
Today I found a 4 manual box + overdrive and shaft.
Anybody can help me here and let me know if it is going to be a straight swap?
If not, what else do I need?

skidje

Apr 15th, 2020 19:17

swap clutchhousing en ensure you have the right gearstick and shorter prop. Best to find the complete shaft.

The OD have a speedo drive I guess? The speedocable can be used from the 4-speed box but best would be to find the slightly longer version.

Possible you need to make the simple wiring with a relais if not present with the box to engage the OD

mentepazza

Apr 15th, 2020 20:20

Thanks Skidje!
I have the complete shaft but the gearstick ( I ll source one somewhere...)
Didn’t think of the Speedocable. Seems hard to find.
And I have to wire the OD to the fuse Box.
Good to know it’s a straight swap. You saved me a lot of time...

skidje

Apr 16th, 2020 08:36

But realize that your OD box most probably has a 22 splined shaft for the clutch-plate. Unless you managed finding the earlier models from mid seventies which are the same as the M45/4-speed you have there. So plan for a matching clutch set.

FYI. The OD is only allowed to be engaged when the stick is in 4rth. So ensure finding the suitable relais with input from this signal. Make sure there is no risk engaging the OD when reversing. This will shorten the lifetime fo the OD.

Don't worry about the speedo cable. If you undo the fixating clips on the chassis of the 245 above the gearbox you will manage guiding the short cable from the 4-speed into the M46/4-speed + OD.

mentepazza

Apr 16th, 2020 20:11

I see mate. Not sure about the shaft I have got. Need to double check.
I will replace the clutch so I’ll go for a matching clutch set.
I need to find The electric scheme To connect the OD without frying the electric circuit of the car :)
Great to know about the speedo cable, thanks again. 245 expert are hard to find these days...

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