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paultyler1 Aug 31st, 2022 20:58

D5 Engine Lifespan
 
Hi,

Looking for info regarding the life span of a D5 engine. I've had 2 which did over 500k miles.
I would be particularly interested to hear from anyone who has had to have a turbo replaced and at what mileage?
Thanks in advance

darroch Sep 28th, 2022 21:52

I would be more interested in your oil type and driving regime to put those big miles on yours:teeth_smile:

XC90Mk1 Sep 28th, 2022 22:05

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Originally Posted by darroch (Post 2847696)
I would be more interested in your oil type and driving regime to put those big miles on yours:teeth_smile:

I to would like to know how you did it. I know D5s are reliable boy 500k is astonishing! That’s

Clan Sep 29th, 2022 10:55

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Originally Posted by paultyler1 (Post 2842878)
Hi,

Looking for info regarding the life span of a D5 engine. I've had 2 which did over 500k miles.
I would be particularly interested to hear from anyone who has had to have a turbo replaced and at what mileage?
Thanks in advance

If you have already done 500,000 why not another 500,000? turbochargers dont wear , their lifespan is entirely dependant on a good oil supply.

griston64 Sep 29th, 2022 20:06

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Originally Posted by XC90Mk1 (Post 2847700)
I to would like to know how you did it. I know D5s are reliable boy 500k is astonishing! That’s

I knew a chap who ran both a P2 V70 D5 and an XC90 D5 to 400k + He covered 40k + a year. They were always filthy inside and out but he clearly looked after them mechanically ! Proper workhorses :teeth_smile:

paultyler1 Oct 6th, 2022 22:42

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Originally Posted by XC90Mk1 (Post 2847700)
I to would like to know how you did it. I know D5s are reliable boy 500k is astonishing! That’s

Nothing special, I have a very heavy right foot and the cars were always regularly serviced by main agents.

paultyler1 Oct 6th, 2022 22:43

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Originally Posted by darroch (Post 2847696)
I would be more interested in your oil type and driving regime to put those big miles on yours:teeth_smile:

Always use a high quality synthetic oil.

paultyler1 Oct 6th, 2022 22:49

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Originally Posted by Clan (Post 2847745)
If you have already done 500,000 why not another 500,000? turbochargers dont wear , their lifespan is entirely dependant on a good oil supply.

I had a turbo go at 140k miles and the replacement went 5k miles later. The garage (Volvo main agent) didn't ascertain what the cause of the original failure was and refuse to accept liability. Now commencing court action and looking for information on engine life.

eagle58 Oct 7th, 2022 02:44

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Originally Posted by paultyler1 (Post 2849216)
I had a turbo go at 140k miles and the replacement went 5k miles later. The garage (Volvo main agent) didn't ascertain what the cause of the original failure was and refuse to accept liability. Now commencing court action and looking for information on engine life.

Turbos are designed for the lifetime of the vehicle, apparently 150k miles, so to have one fail at 5k miles should indicate something is wrong with the replacement or in how it was fitted.

Engine life has nothing to do with it I would have thought.

paultyler1 Oct 7th, 2022 17:37

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Originally Posted by eagle58 (Post 2849235)
Turbos are designed for the lifetime of the vehicle, apparently 150k miles, so to have one fail at 5k miles should indicate something is wrong with the replacement or in how it was fitted.

Engine life has nothing to do with it I would have thought.

The garage is saying that the life of the engine is about 150k miles. I'm trying to find out if this is peoples experience. It isn't mine.

eagle58 Oct 7th, 2022 18:44

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Originally Posted by paultyler1 (Post 2849372)
The garage is saying that the life of the engine is about 150k miles. I'm trying to find out if this is peoples experience. It isn't mine.

That figure of 150k is what it can reasonably be expected to achieve.

Of course many cars do considerably more but you couldn't expect a car manufacturer to have any responsibility for the vehicle after that figure. I don't know what it's got to do with your turbo failure?

If it was a replacement and failed after 5k miles then that's the issue.

Spirit Man Oct 7th, 2022 19:18

There are many members who's D5's have covered well over 150k with no real issues. My personal experience was Euro3 D5 2005 S60 bought with 20k on the clock and sold at 260k with it never missing a beat and going as strong as the day I bought it. Only ever services and belts needed. I'd consider 150k as having been "just run in".

paultyler1 Oct 8th, 2022 20:49

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Originally Posted by eagle58 (Post 2849387)
That figure of 150k is what it can reasonably be expected to achieve.

Of course many cars do considerably more but you couldn't expect a car manufacturer to have any responsibility for the vehicle after that figure. I don't know what it's got to do with your turbo failure?

If it was a replacement and failed after 5k miles then that's the issue.

The garage originally said that it wasn't the turbo that had failed again. It took a visit to a specialist garage who proved that the 2nd turbo had failed. The original Volvo garage is saying that it is reasonable for them to have suspected an engine failure. I'm trying to get evidence that it is not. The garage has been wrong on so many other points but I'm gathering more evidence for my court case.

Tannaton Oct 10th, 2022 23:19

I have a theory that you can judge the longevity of a cars engine by the cost of second hand engines on eBay etc. if demand for replacement engines is low, the price will be low, but if demand outstrips supply, this pushes up the price.

Given the most common cause of engine failure of the E3 and E4 2.4 D5’s is the aux belt failing and taking out the cambelt as well, the cost of good engines with warranty starts around £400 on eBay. For 2.7 TDV6 Jag/Land Rover, 5 - 10 times that…

I appreciate this doesn’t directly help your court evidence but to say the life is 150k is an excuse… did you pay by credit card? If so - see if they can help….

Turbo chargers don’t generally wear unless they’re starved of oil pressure - but the seals can let go…

eagle58 Oct 10th, 2022 23:27

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Originally Posted by paultyler1 (Post 2849551)
The garage originally said that it wasn't the turbo that had failed again. It took a visit to a specialist garage who proved that the 2nd turbo had failed. The original Volvo garage is saying that it is reasonable for them to have suspected an engine failure. I'm trying to get evidence that it is not. The garage has been wrong on so many other points but I'm gathering more evidence for my court case.

I still can't figure out what the potential life of the engine has to do with the turbo failing?

If the turbo has failed or not then that can be tested, as can an engine failure.

Am I missing something??

paultyler1 Oct 11th, 2022 17:24

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Originally Posted by eagle58 (Post 2850032)
I still can't figure out what the potential life of the engine has to do with the turbo failing?

If the turbo has failed or not then that can be tested, as can an engine failure.

Am I missing something??

When I took the car back to be checked the garage said that the turbo hadn't failed it was the engine (piston rings). They are saying that they didn't look any further because "it was obvious the engine had failed". I've already proved that the engine hadn't failed. The cause of both turbos breaking was probably a blown head gasket but, in spite of me telling them in the first instance that it was losing coolant, they never checked the head gasket. I'm trying to get evidence that it was not reasonable for them to just say that the engine had failed because it had done the mileage. THe garage is a Volvo concessionaire and are useless. I've tried communicating with Volvo direct and they are not interested.

eagle58 Oct 12th, 2022 00:21

Surely you just get the turbo tested and if it's faulty, that's where your claim lies.

If it's not then the engine is at fault and that will be down to you.

paultyler1 Oct 12th, 2022 22:40

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Originally Posted by eagle58 (Post 2850238)
Surely you just get the turbo tested and if it's faulty, that's where your claim lies.

If it's not then the engine is at fault and that will be down to you.

The turbo has been tested and it's broken. My claim is based on the fact that because the garage didn't correctly diagnose the cause of the original failure, then this has caused further damage to the engine.

paultyler1 Oct 12th, 2022 22:58

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Originally Posted by eagle58 (Post 2850238)
Surely you just get the turbo tested and if it's faulty, that's where your claim lies.

If it's not then the engine is at fault and that will be down to you.

The turbo has been tested and it's broken. My claim is based on the fact that because the garage didn't correctly diagnose the cause of the original failure, then this has caused further damage to the engine.

eagle58 Oct 13th, 2022 01:03

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Originally Posted by paultyler1 (Post 2850444)
The turbo has been tested and it's broken. My claim is based on the fact that because the garage didn't correctly diagnose the cause of the original failure, then this has caused further damage to the engine.

Sticky wicket IMO. Getting money back for the turbo work should be the focus as anything other than that will surely fail.

The replacement turbo should last longer than 5k.

If it's over 150k miles, the engine will be quite reasonably assesed to be at the end of its working life even though there are many examples of them going on for tens of thousands of miles longer.

What is "reasonable" and what you expect are totally different things.

paultyler1 Oct 13th, 2022 20:31

The original work cost 7500. The garage has offered me 7000 for my car. So basically, they have taken my XC90 Executive with all the extras possible, not fully diagnosed what the problem was and then not even given me back what I originally spent. Before the first turbo failed, the car used no oil, didn't smoke and pulled like a train. The car had been serviced by a Volvo concessionaire a month before and nothing was said about the engine being worn out. When it went in for the first turbo, nothing was said about the engine being worn out. They are saying that in the space of 5k miles the engine has become worn out. Does this seem reasonable? The garage has done no tests (compression or cylinder leakage) and with the cat and dpf uninstalled the engine runs ok.


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