Volvo 164 parts! - Nearly Free!!!!
 

Hi guys, dont shoot me but I have just acquired a volvo 164 for banger racing, the shell is shot but the majority of the trim is good condition and other than the seats the black vinyl/leather interior is in fairly good nick.

Now, I obviously dont want these parts for my purpose and it seems a shame to bin 'em. I am offering all of the parts I remove from the car for free, this includes radiator, power steering unit, alternator, fuel tank, all glass etc etc etc etc etc

However, the car is fuel injection and I would rather race it on carbs, if anyone wants the parts listed above for free I would like to borrow at the very least a manifold and linkage and preferably - a complete set of carbs, manifold and linkage.

Please dont give me messages of 'its a waste' etc, the car was advertised and I bought it!

Please call/txt me on
07843417844

Also, if anyone has a set of carbs etc that I could rent/borrow and you dont want all the 164 parts then please also get in touch.

Can I have first call on the parts please.

I'll send you a list of the things I am interested in.

Cheers

John

Ok John, txt me the list as soon as you know if you have the carbs etc

need fuel pump
 

For 164E Also brain and would be willin to pay a resable price .
Regards
Mike B

Brain? I figured it would be on points . . .

It seems John is unable to locate the parts I need to borrow and the other chap that txt me isn't answering his phone for last 2 days? :-S

I have tried to help out you guys by offering the parts up for free in return for carbs but no avail.

Can anyone tell me how to wire up the fuel injection system by-passing the original loom? Is the brain the box on the inner wing? Has four wires on the plug and the distributor has 3. Do I simply 'live up' one of the wires that go into the brain?

Sean - I really wish we were closer to you, cos only today I fetched down from my recently vandalised rented garage near my sons place, lots of 164 spares. These included carbs, manifold and distributor for a carb car.... I also had lots of Amazon and 140 panels, as I confronted pykies driving into the garage area during the week, and taking something from one garage which had the door smashed in by thugs.
All 18 garages in the block were kicked in (so scum could see what was inside?) so now its only a matter of time before spares start to vanish. Going back in a couple of days to collect another 240-estate load (if not too late).
Anyway, I too would have loved to have your surplus injection bits, as I run a 164E like mike B does. However, I have lots of carb 164 spares from previously-owned cars, hence my mail. However, on your car have you considered how you would block the injector holes: you would need a carb-car distributor; a lot of bugg**y around the fuel supply (carb cars were a system like the Amazon/140, ie mechanical petrol pump), a different exhaust system and wiring alterations to the ignition system AT LEAST.
Seriously, if the injection system works OK on your car, why not leave it as it is? Is it racing regulations, or do you fancy a HUGE challenge?
If still interested, do you have an economic couriers between your area and the Worthing area of the south coast, cos that lot will be costly to move.

Paul

Sean - reread your post and forgot to say the brain usually lives under the front passenger seat, on the floor. Its about the size of an old cassette recorder and has a many-wired plug going in to it.
Don't ask me anything about car electrics alterations - I don't have a clue!

Paul

Hi Paul, I was unaware it was such a big job, I figured it was just a case of changing the inlet manifold and maybe thee distributor :-S
Can you give me a call tonight, after 8pm? Or txt ur number and I'll call you

Hi Sean,

Thanks for coming on here and offering us parts...banger racers often get a bad name amongst enthusiasts, but I know a few now who are willing to help out with parts they don't need, and the cars in question are usually beyond repair anyway.

I could do with most of the chrome trim from the sides (i.e. down the wings, doors, etc), if you could remove them carefully. If they end up in good condition (they're a bit of a sod to remove without bending / kinking them), I'd be happy to give you some beer money for them. I have family in Cornwall (my old man was born in Redruth), and will be heading down at Easter, when I could arrange a collection. There may be other bits and bobs, too...I'll have a think!

cheers

James

The injection on a 164 has a completely independent loom from the rest of the electrics. It is a highly complex system and you won't get it to run in a stripped down version. On the inner wing there are two relays that control the fuel pump, the other thing on the inner wing is the manifold pressure sensor. Additionally there are two temperature sensors, air and coolant, there is a thermal timer that controls the cold start valve, a second set of points in the bottom half of the distributor which tell the injectors when to fire, a throttle switch, this isn't just on/off like a modern car but it actually sends throttle opening info to the brain, a fuel pump and finally the brain under the driver's seat.

Wow, that certainly does sound complicated compared to the usual injection system from the 70's!

So my next question follows on from what was put before - Which parts do i require to convert it to run carbs? On most engines it is usually just a matter of changing the inlet manifold and dizzy but as these arent x-flow engines, do I need to change the exhaust aswell? Blocking the injector holes is easy enough in that I will just cut them off?

Please help!

Yes, it's an electronic system - more late 80s than early 70s. They later went back to mechanical injection (in 240s and 740s, etc) as the EFI proved unpopular (reliability problems?).

As far as I'm aware, the injector holes are in the manifold, so no problems there. You should be able to swap manifolds (dizzy *may* be unnecessary) and add a suitable fuel pump (or a regulator on the end of the EFI pump?). I think the exhaust manifolds should be swappable.

Any particular reason why you want to ditch the injection kit? They made more power...and I doubt you'd have much trouble in something as short-lived as a banger race.

cheers

James

I wanna put carbs on for reliability really. In my experience with injection all it takes is for one wire to get trapped or cut and then its game over. Specificially if the system is as complicated as it sounds. I have a facet pump in my banger wiring so as long as I can get carbs I should be able to make it run no problems, I would imagine with the distributor having traditional points in the top of it, I could just cut off the electronic stuff and put a normal 12v coil on and bingo! I'd have a spark?!

The chap that has a manifold and carbs in his broken into shed - I will pay courier and then sort out getting the parts to you? The car is being raced in Wimbledon so could possibly meet you?

This said, I do have a chap called Scott going to look for some carbs for me when he gets home from holiday this week. And he wants interior parts. Anything that is left over once whoever lends me some carbs has had their fill will be put up on here for beer money + postage

What I mean is if you would be willing to box up and post off the carbs and manifold (linkage?) To me, I would obviously pay postage cost and then once I have all the parts ready I will arrange getting the bits to you.

The ports are the same as a carb car, basically you need the combined inlet/exhaust manifold with the carbs and the linkage.

The distributor has ignition points so will work happily with the injection part unplugged

http://auto-onderdelen.marktplaats.n...burateurs.html

Thank you for that buddy, much appreciated!

Is the exhaust downpipe the same? I would hate to lose the twin pipes - well more accurately the noise associated with the twin downpipes!!

I really do appreciate all the help being given, fingers crossed I can get the parts!

Sean

Interchangability!
 

OK - Perhaps a daft question! I have had a combined cast inlet / exhaust manifold with twin strombergs on it sitting in my garage for several years now. What will this be off? I was under the impression that all 120 / 140s with twin carbs were fitted with SUs and not strombergs.

Cheers

Scott

How many pots is the manifold laid out for, that'd be a big clue!

I didn't realise they were all one part...shows how much attention I've paid!

cheers

James

Its in the garage and I'm in the middle of the North Sea! It'll need to wait until the weekend

Cheers

Scott

I'm fairly certain that my Dad's old 164 had twin Strombergs on it. I will ask him when I next speak to him.

Hi Sean
Paul has asked me to send this to you:
(Can you ask him (from me) that I could courier
the carbs, manifold and linkage to him later this week/early next week if
he's interested. Mention the 30kg couriers limit (the manifold is VERY
heavy) and I would need to strip the linkage from my spares-car if he wants.
Addresses need to be swapped, and I'd like it all back when done with - can
be dropped off at Redhill after Wimbledon if you like. I'd like the
injection bits in exchange please, as I need them for my current car.
Foggyjames can have the trim etc, as I'm OK on that. Let me know if
interested.)

Foggy James has told him about this carrier who seems to come from Surrey. I expect you will know what he means?

Audrey

Audrey, that sounds absolutely fine to me. Could you get Paul to give me a call please or send me his number, as I only have the internet on my phone and it takes ages to reply on here! Txt or e-mail is just as easy though as I can access my e-mails as work.

07843417844 - seaniemcknight@aol.com

Does anyone know if the downpipes on my injection car will fit onto the carb'd manifold??

If all Paul wants is the injection parts, I guess the rest is up for grabs!

Once I've made contact with Paul, the car will be stripped on Friday :)

Hi Sean, I finally got back home! I don't think what I have will be much good to you (see pics). Looks like twin strombergs on a four potter.

Best of luck

Scott

Hi Scott, although what you have would have been ideal - its 2 cylinders too short!
Thank you very much for remembering to look out for me, I do appreciate it!

I have arranged a set of everything I need with Paul (Audrey) and in return he is having the full injection system and anything else that is useable from the car.

Foggy James - I will take the side trim off next and any that I don't mess up I will give to Paul to pass on to you at a club event?

Thank you to everyone for your help :-)

Remember me if you have any shells to get rid of!

Very much appriciated Sean. I think they're attached via a series of clips...so levering them off very carefully might be an option. I also have a memory that they will slide off backwards / forwards. Next time I'm up at the unit, I'll work out which ones on my car are AOK, then you can use those as a test-bed on your car...just in case something goes wrong with the first one.

I'll have a chat with Paul regarding beer money for you.

cheers

James

I managed to get them all off without causing any further damage to them, some are better than others but I'll just take them all up to Paul

That's really excellent - many thanks! :)

cheers

James

Foggy! There aren't any 340 enthusiasts in Cornwall likely to have a 1.4 model they'd be looking to get rid of cheap is there . . .

I know a guy down that way who's into 300s. I don't know if he has any cars for sale, but he does have lots of bits and bobs. Is it for racing?

cheers

James

brain
 

Hi
Itsthe box under the passanger seat .
Regards
Mike B

Yes mate, for racing. There is a 1400cc limit all rear wheel drive meeting coming up and I think a 340 would be good fun to use!?

If you speak to matey, could u just mention it and see if he has anything he would be willing to part with for some beer tokens?

Mike B, the brain is under the passenger seat, well it was. Its in the box of parts waiting to go to Audreyold now!

Hi Sean,

I think you'll find the 1.4s are very competitive with the right preparation. Quite a hard class to find cars for, I suspect. Early 343s did a very effective job of seeing off Escorts in European Rallycross in the early 80s.

I popped a post over here... http://www.volvo300mania.com/forum-u...hp?f=9&t=11561

cheers

James

Thank you Foggy!!