Does a V50 07 2.0D SE have a dpf or is it only Euro 4 models
 

Am looking at buying a V50 2.0D SE 07 plate, it has just short of 60k on clock has been a business car, full volvo service history all serviced at the same dealer. Service's no more than 9months apart.

I asked the dealer when does the dpf need replacing and they said not until 90k and i asked what the cost would be, after the service manager had reaserched this they said that the V50 07 did not have a dpf on.

I thought all volvo diesels had a dpf on? or is this just the Euro 4 models?
As my S40 2.0D SE 55 plate is a Euro 4.

They said that is a dpf did need replacing it would cost £500

I believe the newer ones have a DPF like the bigger volvos ie a better quality one that doersnt need changing ..
Have a look at the "silencer" under the car in line with your feet , if it has two small pipes going up to the engine bay it is a Particle filter ..
if the 8th digit of the VIN is 5 it should have a particle filter too .

I asked a similar question of Volvo Customer Services re my V50 2.0d new July 09 and got the following reply. I think on the cars that require a new DPF the change is at 75000m not as you stated. Hope the following gives required infor
Cheers.

Dear Mr PXXXX,
Thank you for your email and I apologise for the delay in responding to
you. I can confirm that your vehicle does not have a particulate filter.
This information is gleaned from the chassis number YV1MW7541A25*****.
75 is the engine variant and the following 4 shows that it is Euro 4
emissions which do not have the filter. I hope this is the information
you require, thank you for your contact with this office.
Yours sincerely


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Customer Support Manager
Volvo Car UK Ltd

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Which have the DPF then? Based on the above post, mine is also Euro 4 - 2008 S40 2.0D. I thought it would be DPF when i bought it - would be happy if it wasn't though!!

If the 8th character of your VIN is 5 it will have one ...

Thanks. Its a 4, so Euro 4 and no dpf. Does this mean the 75k / 6 year service wont cost £900 then lol!

by the time you need your 75000 IF you had a Particle filter the price would be £1200 no doubt !

V50 DPF or no DPF
 

SO to sum up if i have followed your conversation correctly if the 8th character of the chassis number is a 5 then i have a dpf that will need changing on my current S40, but if it is not a 5 then you still have a dpf but one that does not need changing?

Not quite ,
If it is a 4 you don't have a particle filter .
If it is a 5 you do have a particle filter which needs changing at 75000 miles UNLESS its a newish one which it is a better quality one like a D5 which doesnt need changing .. where the cut off point is , is a grey area ..

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I have learnt something today that will fling the cat among the proverbial pigeons.

I have it officially from Volvo UK that all cars that have either a 4 or 5 as the 8th digit of their VIN definately have a DPF filter. The only variant that does not have the filter is the first generation V50 which has a 3 as the 8th digit.

I also asked about whether there is a more resilient version of the system that requires less attention and they have confirmed that there is not. There is 1 version of the system on the V50 that is exactly the same across the range and all require the same maintenance that will vary by driving style.

So, there we have it, finally a definative answer to the question that has plagued me for the past few weeks whilst I've been trying to find a decent V50 to buy.

I hope this helps anyone else who has been searching for the answer.

They are wrong , i stand by what i said above !

They contradict themselves from post #3 above:

"Dear Mr PXXXX,
Thank you for your email and I apologise for the delay in responding to
you. I can confirm that your vehicle does not have a particulate filter.
This information is gleaned from the chassis number YV1MW7541A25*****.
75 is the engine variant and the following 4 shows that it is Euro 4
emissions which do not have the filter. I hope this is the information
you require, thank you for your contact with this office.
Yours sincerely


<-removed->
Customer Support Manager
Volvo Car UK Ltd"

and there IS a more robust system from 2009 model year , it has a particle filter which doesnt need any attention and NO EOLYS top up

Clan knows you know. Trust him.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Clan is wrong, I too was interested in the fact that they contradicted themselves in the email Loskie received and brought up this very point. The lady then went away and sought an answer that was so called "definitive" and came back 5 or so mins later with what I typed above. I took them to their word and decided to post it.
This kind of made sense to me as a car I am booked to look at on Sunday has a 8th digit of 4 and according to my local independent (who searched the VIN and Reg No) it has a DPF?

Believe me I really, really hope that they are all wrong and Clans fountain of knowledge is just as free flowing as it usually is but I really want to stress that I am not calling anyones opinion incorrect, just posting what I thought was valuable addition to the topic.

I have a 2006 (2007 model) V50 2.0D Sport (Euro 4) with a 4 as the 8th digit and I was very glad to hear on my last service, that I have NO DPF.

It has been known in the past that Volvo UK get stuff wrong. I TRUST what Clan has posted and many others on this forum do.

For those doubters out there, ring Volvo UK and see what they say. Or your local dealer.

Have a look and findout 4 sure
 

I would suggest a quick look at the exhaust system, VIN numbers are all fine but nothing beats having a look underneath to see what system you have, however Clan is usually right in my humble opinion ! As far as im aware the DPF is a separate component similar in appearance to an exhaust box with some extra pipes (is on a D5 euro 4 anyway)

I think calling people doubters and claiming no trust in other members opinions is a bit strong. As I feel I have pointed out strongly enough, I was not calling Clans opinion/knowledge mearly adding some input I took as official which came from Volvo UK.
You obviously have more experience than me regarding whether they are a trustworthy source of information for their own product. All I did was attempt to relay the information that I thought may have been valuable to others. Do I honestly deserve the negativity for that?

First impressions of this site were a friendly place to be with good open discussion, I'm beggining to think I may have been wrong.

Don't take it to heart, we all know you did it with good intentions.

Some people are a little more 'opinionated' than others and as such have a stronger point of view, I know I've run into it before(!!) but everybody means well, honestly!

So, welcome and please do join in, everybody's point is a valid and welcome one. A difference of opinion is what makes the world go round!!

BUT it is ONLY for the engines with a Powershift automatic!

All MMT6 D4204Ts with DPF have the Eloys stuff. Those with an MPS6-4 box (Powershift) don't and have the same system as the D3/D4/D5 :)

well this lots as clear as mud ,, im more confused then ever ,, we need a difinative answer to this dpf question ,, oh hum..

I think the only way is to take your car into either a main dealer or a Volvo specialist and get them to check it for you. No messing about with 8th digits or someone says this and someone says something else.

In every forum or social site there are always people who will question the knowledge being passed on by other users. Its a fact of life. Simple really.

Probably the best way tbh Lee but I was hoping to find out before purchase as I am in the market for a decent new-ish car and don't want to saddle myself with a future big bill hence my input on the subject.
As I may have mentioned in another post, I am looking at a 57plate SE facelift version tomorrow and was wanting to learn of the signs before making a decision.

Picking through the email that was sent could it be that the 8th digit has been mis-interpreted and it may actually be the 6&7th engine variant number that could be the indicator? 4 being the Euro 4 engine and the 6&7 being the engine variant
The reason I say this is we appear to have DPF's fitted to cars with a 8th digit of 4 and cars that don't?
There must be a consistant indicator in the VIN somewhere that denotes the correct variant and it makes sense that it would be the engine type?
According to Volvo it's digits 6&7 that denote the engine type and the 8th which denotes the emissions so even if it's a Euro 4 emissions the engine type could indicate the presence of the dreaded filter?

Just some opinions to throw into the discussion. I would like to place on record that I am not calling anyone else's opinion on the subject wrong :D

i think iirc there is some with a 4 out there with an without a filter.

As mentioned in my post above, I went and looked at the 57 plate SE Facelift version and can confirm after looking at the back of the engine that it does have a DPF fitted. You cannot actually see it from underneath without jacking the car up as the bottom cover hides it.
It was located right at the back pointing at a diagonal-down to follow the route of the exhaust.
It loooks like a small backbox with small-ish pipes into/out of it, the rest of the exhaust bolts onto that. It looks to have been replaced on the 75K service that has just been carried out but it does have the "SRS Airbag Service Urgent" message on the DIM.
After speaking to the previous owner it turns out its an ECU failure that has flagged up as he had the codes read at Volvo before part exchanging. Does anyone know if it is possible to hide this by clearing the codes or will it stay until replaced? The reason I ask is I have put a deposit on the car on the condition that the faults are rectified. The dealer has told me he will sort the fault before I pick it up Sunday but don't want to have him do a temporary repair by just clearing the codes to get it off the forecourt only to have it flag up on the way home.
Any help advice would be greatly appreciated.

Hello UK Saint ,
What you are describing is the catalytic converter , They are made from Stainless steel so always look "new" The actual Particle filter ( if it were fitted ) would be the next silencer shaped object along and exposed rearwards of the undertray under the gear lever area and parallel to the ground ...
The cars with particle filter have a particle filter pressure sensor fitted to the engine side of the battery tray with two rubber pipes and an electrical connector .... So hopefully good news for you :-)
If there is any problem at all with the SRS the light will come on and stay on until the fault is fixed . what ever they do with disconnecting the battery etc . Just make sure the SRS light comes on with the ignition and goes out just after the engine has started ,
Good luck , i'm sure you will enjoy the car ..

Hi Clan

Thanks for your input mate.

The only thing I could see underneath was a very long cylindrical silencer/muffler which stretched for about 3-ish feet down the middle of the car in line with the transmission tunnel, then the backbox, I took that to be the cat so I assumed that the thing bolted to the back of the engine was the DPF which was about a foot & a half long and a kind of flattened oval shape. Hopefully by what you've said it doesn't actually have one :)
Funny thing is though the previous owner had his servicing done by the company he worked for who have their own service/fleet division. Upon talking to them today they told they have been topping up the eolys fluid?
I have had it confirmed that it's an ECU fault/failure and was hoping that it wouldn't be hideable by fiddling the battery etc. The service light is refusing to be reset even though its been done due to the ECU spitting it's dummy out :D
Looks like they've got an expensive trip to Volvo this week! Any idea what an ECU goes for these days?

firstly an ECU can be anything from £200 to £800 depending on what it is .
The SRS light has nothing to do with the service light , so you must have 2 faults or one fault and someone not knowing what they are doing ..

Yes you have a normal silencer under your drivers seat from what you say , they are indeed very long on the non particle filter cars .
No particle filter = no EOLYS , the tank is situated on top of the centre of the rear axle member, a black plastic oval tank of about 2 litres , you shouldnt have one , just a metal weight instead to damp out vibration . so two things to look for when you next see it , the particle filter pressure sensor by the battery and EOLYS tank on the rear axle ... but with a 4 as the emission code you wont have them :-)

From what you are saying it sounds like I can finally relax on the DPF issue! :D Thanks for your input on it mate, it's been a huge help. :thumbs_up:

I was told by the prev owner (very genuine old fella) that the codes read said the ECU had failed and the Volvo dealer told him as it had failed the car wouldn't allow the service light to be reset and once this was fixed/replaced it would?
He also said he had been quoted £400 for replacement if that helps?

Thanks again Clan, you've been brilliant bud ;)

you are welcome , hope it all works out ok!

The great DPF mystery rumbles on then! So, some cars with a 4 as the 8th number do have DPFs, some don't?

I have recently bought a 55 reg S40, which has a 3 as the 8th character. I believe this means no DPF. (Also, the V5 and a mycarcheck search online doesn't state the car as a EURO IV, which I believe is normally stated)

A colleague has a 55 reg V50, which has a 5, and she has been told she has a DPF with the fluid reservoir.

Another colleague has a 56 reg V50, which has a 4. He has been told (or confirmed from the service history, I can't remember) that his has a DPF without the reservoir. Even though his is a newer car than the other V50!

It has left us all a bit confused!

It's easy
3 = Euro 3 no particle filter or EOLYS
4= Euro 4 no particle filter or EOLYS
5 =Euro 4 With Particle filter and EOLYS

Perhaps the later ones with powershift have the new everlasting Particle filters and No EOLYS still looking into that one !
There are some recent ones with letters now as the emission code
But then I saw a 2010 today with 5 and Particle filter and EOLYS .. Just the same as a 2005 would have ..

That will interest my friend with the 56 reg V50 then - he was convinced his had one!

well i have been told by volvo uk my 09 c30 2.0D does and it has a 4 as the 8th char no sign of a doping tank when i have looked though!

Volvo told me that about the V50 2.0D SE I've just plonked a deposit on. Turns out (after much help from Clan) that it doesn't have a DPF.

Seems as though Volvo don't actually know themselves. Talk about knowing your product! :D

I've been looking for a 'non-DPF' V50 for a while. By that I mean one which doesn't have whichever variety of exhaust system which requires the Eloys top up at 37k and DPF replacement at 75k. I've found that by far the easiest way of making the judgement is to look out for the small fluid tank above the centre of the rear axle. I appreciate it's difficult to look out for something that may not be there but once you've seen one it's easy to spot. Someone posted a pic of the tank on here once - that was very useful.

Another pointer is the two inlet pipes going into the throttle body on the inlet manifold , straight in front of you in the centre of the front of the engine when you take the engine cover off .
A single pipe indicates no EOLYS or Particle filter .
And it only has EOLYS and Particle filter if the 8th character if the VIN = 5 .

Most of the 2.0 D engines don't have the ELOYS and Particle filter .

If I'd know that when I bought mine I'd have got a newer one and not bothered hunting down a Euro 3 model.

Has anyone on her ever taken the ultimate step and had the dpf removed? If so, who did it please? I know I'd have to tell the insurance company but that should not be a problem. Ta!

I doubt if the insurance would have much interest, however the Government might as your Road tax group might be higher then , and paying less than the rest of us without particle filters ! There is nothing wrong with particle filters except the fact you have to change those with EOLYS top ups at 75000 miles .