The blurb is a bit flowery. Notwithstanding the issues raised above I can see rot and evidence of at least a partial repaint, so I'm curious as to how the seller reckons its one of the "best ones around"?

You mean the 'Stunning 240 Estate'? We have all thought that since August when the owner was trying to hawk it on this forum for £9,000. Rikvdub wouldn't listen to any advice, and became very rude (see above).

I would not be surprised if this motor car does not even get an opening bid at public auction.

Alan

F636TOO, the “Stunner” , it’s on CC .

£5500 a snip.


:tongwink:

Good work Batman!

PS. That is certainly the one, same MoT history (the MoT runs out in 3 weeks):

F636TOO
VOLVO 240
Check another vehicle

Colour
Red
Fuel type
Petrol
Date registered
21 June 1989
MOT valid until
25 January 2022

Date tested
11 January 2021
PASS
View test certificate
Mileage
129,907 miles
MOT test number
6148 9607 3501
Test location
View test location
Expiry date
25 January 2022
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Nearside Front Anti-roll bar linkage pin or bush worn but not resulting in excessive movement (5.3.4 (a) (i))
Offside Front Anti-roll bar linkage pin or bush worn but not resulting in excessive movement (5.3.4 (a) (i))
Nearside Front Wheel bearing has slight play (5.1.3 (a) (i))

PPS. https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1402516

Dalmatian Andrew, well spotted! :thumbs_up:

I have just had a thought: I wonder whether Rikvdub drops in to this forum to have a look as a guest from time to time? I doesn't matter of course, he would be welcome to read the comments, and might even take some of the advice.

He has an odd sales strategy at the moment: marketing the motor car at a fixed price on C&C whilst simultaneously conducting a no-reserve auction starting at £3,500 on eBay. I can't help thinking that says 'I'm just sticking my finger in the wind at £5,500, but I'll take £3,500'. Surely if someone was looking for an overpriced 30 year old cooking 240 with a few problems on C&C they would check out eBay at the same time (that is what I would do)?

I think we may see this one being advertised (certainly on C&C as he has already paid for the ad, maybe on eBay from time to time) for a while. I notice the motor car has been advertised on C&C since 16 November, so 6 weeks already, but the eBay ad is much more recent - perhaps Rikvdub is learning about the true value of 30 year old vehicles.

If Rikvdub is listening it would be nice to hear from him (cordially though).

Alan

It’s also on Facebook Market place for £4850.

Gosh! He is going for the shotgun effect. Started at £9,000 and now simultaneously £5,500, £4,850 and £3,500. Surely that just looks desperate.
I sort of have a feeling the motor car is only worth around £3,000.
Alan

How-to: sell the best Volvo 240 Estate.
 

Step 1: Identify the selling places.
Step 2: For each selling place, think of a number.
Step 3: Pick a figure and selling place at random from Steps 1 and 2.
Step 4: Throw together an advert using the combination from Step 3.
Step 5: Hope nobody does what people on this thread have done by cross-referencing the various sites you've used in Step 4.

What could possibly go wrong with this strategy? No, do not answer that question.

Theres a saloon 240 currently advertised on this very forum that looks cleanish, unmessed with, has an apparently honest description (admits welding is required), and is only £2k asking price.

That being the case why would anyone pay nearly double for a wagon with all the various questions about its spec, identity and provenance? After all, if we believe what we read it was recently sold for 9 grand so what is wrong with it that it is so soon being hawked about with a change of identity at different, lower prices?

I saw that motor car advertised Familyman, it looks quite nice but it doesn't have a MoT (and from its MoT history it will need a bit of work to get a new one). Saying that, Rikvdib's motor car only has 3 weeks worth of MoT remaining.

The 240 advertised on these pages would need trailering away, which would be an added expense, but would probably be made quite a good car with a bit of effort, and £2,000 is probably a fair price.

I don't think anyone here seriously believes Rikvdub's motor car sold for £9,000 in August. I doubt that anyone thinks it is wort £5,500 or £4,850 either. £3,000 is probably close to its real value.

Best wishes,

Alan

Given how faded the red paintwork is in places, it potentially wants a respray. It's a fugitive colour and it looks like someone has used T-Cut or similar and polished the majority of it but there are patches where it hasn't been done and these are a watery pink colour. If it's such a good car, i'm sure he could put another MoT on it at little or no cost (except the test) and enhance the prospects of a sale.
That's not withstanding the other problems we already know it has! :err:

Agree entirely with this comment.

Incidentally, I can vouch for the car being advertised by S7tephen having just driven it circa 90 miles with borrowed red plates to Glasgow from Edinburgh and back to Edinburgh after he asked me to give him an opinion on it. It sat very comfortably on the motorway at 65-70mph and starts first time. I even had to rev the engine to check it was running at idle!

The Bodywork is in my opinion very very good so it’s definitely worth saving. I couldn’t spot any dents or scratches albeit the car was wet. All the chrome trims are there and everything works so far as I can tell including the electric Windows and wipers/ de mister. It has central locking which works and locks all the doors etc from the drivers side which I’ve never seen working on any of my 2x 240s

On the motorway the steering pulls to the left a little which I put down to a steering tie Rod as there is play in it when it was jacked up. There’s a large hole at the NSF sill (visible when you open the door only) but it looks easily accessible to weld a plate or replace a section in place and I also spotted a small hole at rear of NS sill and a slightly bigger one on OS Rear sill.
Exhaust back box and middle section look newish, however there’s sign of a slight engine oil leak but nothing serious and oil was full. Engine bay very clean with strut tops all good and no previous welding visible.
It will definitely need a NSF tyre which I suspect is worn due to the tie Rod however I noticed the spare was brand new. OSF tyre ok but not great. Rears good.
The blue velour interior is in lovely condition with heated seats and only one small blemish the size of a 5p I could spot on drivers seat that would stitch with some blue thread.
Brakes work well and gear changes nice and smooth. Temp gauge sat happily in the middle as you’d expect.

All in all I think it’s a very honest low mileage low owner car that’s definitely worth considering. If faded pink ones with dubious mot history and big miles are realistically (!!!) demanding 3500 ish then I think this is worth more than the £2k asking price.

Bodywork sells it for me all day long and if only I knew how to weld then I’d absolutely snap it up myself but I do fear the other half would end me!

I’m currently running the Grey GLT with the front hella lights (that was previously on a thread here) albeit I bought it on eBay which has over 200k on the clock and the bodywork is nowhere near as nice, with it needing a full respray near enough. It also needs welding and I suspect the last mot tester might have missed a few spots! 2 doors are rotten but I have 2 excellent ones from my other breaker GLT and will get round to fitting / painting someday :)

Back to S7tephens car well worst case scenario the £2k price will be easily achieved in parts but I think there are plenty cars with dodgy MOTs on the road in far worse condition to be fair.

Thank you for that, first hand experience is always the best and I hope that will help readers.

I'd noticed S7tephens' motor car for sale myself but was put off by the lack of a MoT and consequent cost of having to trailer it 324 miles home (also I have another project in the winds - more of that later if it comes to fruition).

I thought 2 grand sounded like a fair price for the motor car. I suppose the sills could be patched and the steering/suspension/tyres sorted out well enough for the MoT for £500 - but that wouldn't be the right thing to do for this motor car. I hope someone saves it, but otherwise it is positive that the owner intends to part it out - at the very least we will see 2 grand worth of spares keeping many 240s running so the community wins either way.

Alan

No, I don't suppose they do. I certainly don't.

But that itself raises further questions over the integrity of a seller. I would walk away from a car where I'd discovered a seller had been telling fibs. What else might they have been untruthful about?

I think we all agree about both the motor car and Rikvdub :-).

I'd be a staggered if the motor car sells at £5,500, amazed at £4,850 and more than a bit surprised if it gets an opening bid at £3,500. The reason is there are better cars for sale at less than all of those prices, here is an example:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265457074...4AAOSwjB5hvIw0

... the motor car sounds genuine, but more than that the seller comes across as a sincere chap that has described the car well... and for £2,650.

Rikvdub's Volvo 240 could be on the market for some time before it finds its level.

Alan

When I buy, I buy the seller as much as the article.

You make a valid point!:teeth_smile:

Go on to cars and classics. Volvo 960s in presentable condition are £8,000 to £11,000. Then people with a 240 or 740 that’s not had a test for 8 years suddenly go on at 10k 🤪.

It must be so hard to look at the thing in your garden, tell the wife it’s now worth £10k and then accept that you will struggle to get more than £1,500.

When I see the distorted market place I feel sorry for the sellers who spend money on adverts etc with no realistic prospect of ever selling.

Also those beautiful 960s with 90k on the clock and 5 owners have all been on since March 20.

Here in the 200 section we quite often discuss prices and what the market is doing. The conclusion we return to frequently is that many sellers think their motor cars are worth much more than they really are, and consequently many either keep reducing their asking prices or their motor cars remain on the market for years (literally, years).

I'm not sure the market is particularly distorted - it is what it is. Us old codgers in the 200 section quite enjoy observing what is going on - and sometimes even dabble in a little schadenfreude (as in 'we told you so').

:-)

Well I'm no 'old codger', but I do find it interesting to see such a wide range of prices being asked for 240's.
Current debate here is to keep or sell Grace, the '93 240 Torslanda estate, once I get her new stablemate Margo the '98 V70R sorted and on the road in a condition I am happy with. She's in for her MOT next week and aside from a bit of rust on the rear arches plus some scratches she is in great shape. I'm working the angle to keep her for my Son who has just turned 17, it's a trendy car at the moment and he'd be happy to use it.

If it’s not causing problems to keep, I’d keep it. You must have an idea of its value. I suspect it’s better than money in the bank!
I am an old codger and the list of things I should have kept is long and varied.

Obviously you know your business better than me, just a penny worth.😀

The Old Codgers were some newspaper correspondents that would answer questions posed by readers that wrote in (old fashioned paper letters) - I forget which newspaper (probably the Daily Mail or Mirror) back in the ‘60s. They were a bit before my time, but I remember my father often reading the column aloud to all within earshot.

Best wishes for a happy and prosperous 2022.

Alan

They're certainly ridiculously cool at the moment, many admiring glances in the school car park and a never-ending listing of willing 7-seat passengers. Having rear-facing children is surprisingly effective at discouraging tailgating! Hopefully I'll still have my 940 when my son reaches driving age as I think it's the only way I'll persuade him to learn to drive.

As promised, the auction has ended so here is the report: Rikvdub’s 240 didn’t get any bids at the opening price of £3,500, in spite of having over a hundred watchers. One would have to conclude, I believe, that the market spoken and considered the motor car interesting but worth less than £3,500.

It seems unlikely (to me) that Rikvdub will sell the motor car for £5,500 via C&C or £4,850 via Facebook now that buyers have worked out he didn’t get an offer at £3,500. We may well see it a few more times… :-)

It couldn’t have happenened to a nicer chap (apologies, that one just slipped out in a moment of weakness).

:-)

According to ebay, the listing was ended early due to a mistake in the listing. That happened in the last hour as i looked at it at about 58 minutes to hammer time so my guess is he knew he wasn't going to get any bids at that price and was trying to save himself a listing fee. :rolleyes:

.

Schadenfreude , I ich Glauber ! Was Kann Mann machen !, not responsible for predictive stuff!😃

Ah, cunning! I hadn’t noticed that sleight of hand, I suppose it may also stop the sale being searchable as completed (and so those interested parties at C&C as well as Facebook not able to see there were no bids).

:-)

Laughed when I saw the word cool🤣

THEN, parked outside the Co-op and a young wench pulls up beside me in a tricked up Golf and says “Cool car, love the wheels “.

COOL! Bu##er me !😎

I wish my 17 year old son thought the RB was cool - it would save me a fortune having to run a Porsche Boxster for the school run!!!

Alan

I am still in my 30s (just!), and I will confirm that is still cool!

My kids walk/cycle to school. But for the dropping off/pick up trips for band etc, apparently the 240 is cool, but the V70 R is rather awesome!

It is cool. I’ve just checked, Hollister, H&M and New Look are doing a roaring trade in Tweed and Cavalry Twill! :tongwink:

Dan wants me to get a Tesla model X next, now that would be awesome!

:-)

No mate, the Grand Canyon is awesome ,
the Tesla is is a very nice milk-float.:tongwink:

A Tesla model X isn’t a milk float Andrew. With the most power and quickest acceleration of any SUV, Model X Plaid is the highest performing SUV ever built:

2.5s - 0-60 mph*
9.9s - 1/4 Mile
1,020hp - Peak Power

Alan

PS. Apologies for cutting and pasting a Tesla ad. I’m not keen on EVs myself, but Dan thinks 1,020hp is awesome, and I can’t refute him on that one :-)

You’re right, fastest thing I’ve ever seen on a public highway. A bloke opposite me has one. Nice thing. He says it’s better for the planet…….parked next to his wife’s Disco!:tongwink:

Soul-less electric, not for me. I suspect electric is a flash in the pan, hydrogen is going to be the way forward. Now, can you have a hydrogen V8....

All rsther pointless with the introduction of mandatory soeed limiters this year.

I've been riding a 9.5 second motorbike for 30 years (not continuously, I watch tv, eat my dinner, go to bed, etc, when Im not on the bike) and never been able to safely or legally unleash the full horse. Its good for little more than bragging rights.

Perhaps you are confusing top speed with acceleration Familyman?

I'm also a biker (more so than a car bloke really) and know that sub 9.5 seconds for the quarter mile on a bike is mighty quick acceleration - there have probably only been a handful of road going bikes ever that could do that, and then only with a rider of considerable skill and bravery in ideal conditions. I'm not really a supporter of EVs, but the point of the Tesla model X Plaid is that anyone's grandmother with £110,000 can do a 9.5 second quarter mile. Like it or not, that is seriously impressive.

Alan